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I'm not taking anything personally.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 01/09/2010 09:20:55 PM
Did you read my original post, Francie?

I mean, do you disagree with what he says in this post? And on what basis? Do you base your belief in God on exclusion and hate? Do you justify your prejudices by saying God doesn't want this or that? And if you do, HOW DO YOU KNOW?? Did God TELL you these things?

Some things jump out in this...

First off- Exclusion doesn't equate to hate.
Secondly- The Bible is very clear sin and holieness cannot coexist. God is Holy...and as such, no sin can be in his presence.
Third- I know, because the Bible says flat out that the wages of sin is death, but that the gift of God is eternal life. It also states that the path to salvation is narrow.
Fourth- God told all of us these things. Its written down in the Bible for you to read and study.
Fifth- I don't need to "justify my prejudices" in any way, shape, or form. Why? Because I'm not the one making the call. God made the call. God said what sin was....not me. God is the one who is making the judgement at the end of it, because only God knows the person's heart.

But here is something for you to contemplate. You have person A, who has lived a horrible life...multiple murderer, rapist, child abuser, torture killings...the whole deal. The guy is scum. Well at the end of his days, through some series of events that we don't understand fully, he honestly and truly repents to God for his sins (as horrible as they are). Person A dies.

Person B has lived a good life. Was an upstanding, model of good actions. Never killed anyone, never cheated on their taxes, or anything "really" bad. His friends and family considered him a "great guy". He did charity work, gave (time & efforts) to many different programs that bettered the lives for hundreds if not thousands of people. At the end of his days, he never repented of his sins (even though they were minor), never asked God for forgiveness for even his few sins. Person B dies.

Well both person A & B stand before God for their judgment. Who makes it into heaven? The scummy person A who did all those horrible things, but asked for forgiveness? The great guy person B, who did nothing even remotely horrible, but never did ask for forgiveness? Person A is the one who goes to heaven. Person B does not.

Person B is "excluded", by their own volition. Why? Because Person B excluded God from their own life. Why should they want anything to do with God now that they have died?

~Jeordam
ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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yah I know. I just always feel like they're trying to sell me something. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:09:13 PM 511 Views
Wouldn't this be.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:22:27 PM 932 Views
nah, i generally feel that way about that particular behavior. it's not exclusive to preachers *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:29:23 PM 539 Views
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There are churches where people throw panties at each other? random thoughts - 31/08/2010 09:42:17 PM 930 Views
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....what? LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 09:02:05 PM 919 Views
'Far as I can tell, it was a mock reply. *NM* Zalis - 31/08/2010 09:04:16 PM 468 Views
...ah...blagh. *NM* LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 09:07:00 PM 532 Views
It wasn't. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 09:56:35 PM 542 Views
The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark." Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 10:02:04 PM 825 Views
ahhh I see. That's interesting! *NM* LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 10:03:35 PM 514 Views
Re: The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark." Zalis - 31/08/2010 10:29:16 PM 1071 Views
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*picks up the thrown glove* Dannymac - 01/09/2010 03:44:53 AM 1081 Views
You didn't say anything I disagree with. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 05:02:59 AM 946 Views
One of your statements suma great deal of Christianity, actually LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 12:39:52 PM 934 Views
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Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 11:59:47 PM 1164 Views
Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Zalis - 02/09/2010 01:03:42 AM 997 Views
It isn't henosis. It's a union with God. That's the whole point of the Eucharist, anyway. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 01:13:39 AM 929 Views
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Bummer Jesus couldn't figure that one out. Dannymac - 01/09/2010 03:48:03 AM 901 Views
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yes of burning. LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:38:07 PM 1064 Views
burning and gnashing teeth *NM* random thoughts - 01/09/2010 07:50:53 PM 513 Views
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+1 *NM* random thoughts - 02/09/2010 03:43:10 AM 480 Views
Something of a false dilemma, that. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 04:10:25 AM 902 Views
or perhaps... damookster - 02/09/2010 04:18:57 AM 1044 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 04:31:33 AM 512 Views
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