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You didn't say anything I disagree with. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 01/09/2010 05:02:59 AM
Yes, it's through the ongoing acts of creation and love that we are sustained by and seek God, so if you want to get down to it humans can't do anything on their own, including achieving salvation. But then ttal depravity is as meaningless and true as saying "humans are utterly inable to say 'lawnchair' on their own." We can't exist on our own. So the recognition of God as Creator, Redeemer, Sustainer is very important, but it's also very important to say "Okay, here's what I've been given; now what?"

I'm not sure there's a real reason for the first if you don't follow up with the second.

If you haven't already, try reading Calvin's Institutes, rather than getting lost in the mess that Calvinists made in the centuries following his death.

Yes, but Calvinism is rather more defined by those people than by Calvin. :P

On a related note, do you know if Lamott's friend Father Tom writes anything? He was one of my favorite things about GRACE (EVENTUALLY).
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

Ghavrel is Ghavrel is Ghavrel

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Preaching the Word: You're doing it wrong. Dannymac - 31/08/2010 08:22:14 AM 1510 Views
Danny if you were my preacher... LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 12:42:59 PM 954 Views
Lots of good stuff Bramhodoulos - 31/08/2010 12:43:57 PM 931 Views
True enough. Dannymac - 31/08/2010 04:29:23 PM 1041 Views
Maybe it's just where you're coming from... Bramhodoulos - 31/08/2010 06:34:09 PM 879 Views
I like it SilverWarder - 31/08/2010 02:48:31 PM 721 Views
I really <3 you. @my - 31/08/2010 03:09:39 PM 906 Views
How much of that is your words? random thoughts - 31/08/2010 03:16:51 PM 1016 Views
he is a preacher LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 03:19:44 PM 995 Views
Most of it. Dannymac - 31/08/2010 04:26:24 PM 852 Views
Well done. *NM* Missa Sedai - 31/08/2010 04:46:54 PM 554 Views
I find myself disgusted that... globug0822 - 31/08/2010 05:12:06 PM 953 Views
he's a peachy preacher? LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 05:27:08 PM 947 Views
LOL globug0822 - 31/08/2010 08:31:45 PM 870 Views
Is my church the exception? Jeordam - 31/08/2010 05:33:36 PM 929 Views
Believe it or not... Dannymac - 31/08/2010 06:58:56 PM 889 Views
I'm not so full of myself.... Jeordam - 31/08/2010 07:14:29 PM 1004 Views
I wouldn't blame you much if you did... Dannymac - 31/08/2010 07:18:19 PM 810 Views
A little fire & brimstone for thy stomach's sake? Jeordam - 31/08/2010 07:29:20 PM 838 Views
passionate preachers make me uneasy. LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 08:38:05 PM 735 Views
Passion doesn't need to be... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:50:22 PM 999 Views
Why do you take what he says so personally? Francie - 01/09/2010 08:51:06 PM 975 Views
I'm not taking anything personally.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:20:55 PM 1352 Views
good question,why would they? LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:32:25 PM 924 Views
Your assumption... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:44:28 PM 1072 Views
Look him in the eye? LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:59:02 PM 850 Views
Ok... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 10:34:56 PM 968 Views
so you would not say a murderer would go to heaven? LadyLorraine - 02/09/2010 12:21:10 AM 924 Views
Forgiveness and repentance are humanity's most noble qualities. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 12:48:02 AM 846 Views
Isn't love your big thing? Jeordam - 02/09/2010 07:17:30 PM 1043 Views
yah I know. I just always feel like they're trying to sell me something. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:09:13 PM 485 Views
Wouldn't this be.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:22:27 PM 892 Views
nah, i generally feel that way about that particular behavior. it's not exclusive to preachers *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:29:23 PM 520 Views
Re: I wouldn't blame you much if you did... Camilla - 01/09/2010 12:40:20 PM 1001 Views
*throws panties at you* globug0822 - 31/08/2010 08:35:13 PM 870 Views
There are churches where people throw panties at each other? random thoughts - 31/08/2010 09:42:17 PM 886 Views
I think you would also have to move to where she lives. I don't know any ones that do that here... *NM* Tashmere - 31/08/2010 09:47:21 PM 515 Views
I could just visit random thoughts - 31/08/2010 09:55:50 PM 904 Views
but it'd be fun to WATCH LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 10:02:58 PM 860 Views
if the panties are the size of revival tents it wouldn't be all that fun *NM* random thoughts - 31/08/2010 10:20:32 PM 441 Views
Why sure it would SilverWarder - 01/09/2010 06:57:05 AM 1021 Views
The Church of Tom Jones. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2010 10:22:59 PM 477 Views
(as if this was the first time) I remember that night at kit & wooly's place..... *NM* Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:51:17 PM 501 Views
I can't speak for everyone LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 08:40:12 PM 1022 Views
Testify Sistah Gaylen! Francie - 01/09/2010 02:47:50 PM 1068 Views
Contemplate this then.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:40:55 PM 876 Views
Re: Believe it or not... TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2010 10:22:20 PM 955 Views
I never thought I could feel so free ee eeee *NM* Francie - 01/09/2010 02:48:18 PM 506 Views
As always, Danu - 31/08/2010 06:04:19 PM 978 Views
If people don't see their need for Jesus as savior, we're doing it wrong. Zalis - 31/08/2010 08:44:36 PM 1025 Views
Well, at least you didn't include the vague "personal." Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 08:59:55 PM 874 Views
....what? LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 09:02:05 PM 871 Views
'Far as I can tell, it was a mock reply. *NM* Zalis - 31/08/2010 09:04:16 PM 449 Views
...ah...blagh. *NM* LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 09:07:00 PM 511 Views
It wasn't. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 09:56:35 PM 519 Views
The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark." Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 10:02:04 PM 787 Views
ahhh I see. That's interesting! *NM* LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 10:03:35 PM 493 Views
Re: The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark." Zalis - 31/08/2010 10:29:16 PM 1031 Views
I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 02:49:24 AM 893 Views
*picks up the thrown glove* Dannymac - 01/09/2010 03:44:53 AM 1036 Views
You didn't say anything I disagree with. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 05:02:59 AM 899 Views
One of your statements suma great deal of Christianity, actually LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 12:39:52 PM 893 Views
So then in your estimation.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:52:12 PM 1114 Views
From what I do know... LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:33:14 PM 1024 Views
How about some homework first? Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:32:32 PM 1105 Views
You do understand LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:35:25 PM 881 Views
You'd be suprised... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:50:12 PM 809 Views
Because I find theology interesting LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 10:04:23 PM 862 Views
You'd make such a good Episcopalian. *NM* Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 12:17:56 AM 405 Views
Coincidently, Ghav... LadyLorraine - 02/09/2010 12:22:10 AM 865 Views
Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 01:03:13 AM 905 Views
Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Zalis - 01/09/2010 03:09:46 PM 1083 Views
Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 11:59:47 PM 1125 Views
Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Zalis - 02/09/2010 01:03:42 AM 958 Views
It isn't henosis. It's a union with God. That's the whole point of the Eucharist, anyway. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 01:13:39 AM 893 Views
"mock"...really??? damookster - 02/09/2010 07:22:34 PM 992 Views
Moralistic, therapeutic Deism sounds like the perfect religion to me... *NM* Legolas - 01/09/2010 04:35:51 PM 471 Views
I think that its a great word to use... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:46:59 PM 1005 Views
Bummer Jesus couldn't figure that one out. Dannymac - 01/09/2010 03:48:03 AM 858 Views
"That ye love one another; as I have loved you" is actually somewhat terrifying. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 07:25:19 AM 894 Views
well OBVIOUSLY LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 12:29:20 PM 950 Views
Jesus talked about Hell more than anyone else in the Bible, AFAIK. Zalis - 01/09/2010 02:39:59 PM 969 Views
You might want to research that some SilverWarder - 01/09/2010 02:56:58 PM 871 Views
Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43, for instance. Zalis - 01/09/2010 03:38:00 PM 1007 Views
Nice try, but you will notice that the term "Hell" is entirely absent in the King James version SilverWarder - 01/09/2010 06:25:12 PM 982 Views
the weeds will be gathered and burned does seem a little suggestive *NM* random thoughts - 01/09/2010 06:55:44 PM 480 Views
yes of burning. LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:38:07 PM 1020 Views
burning and gnashing teeth *NM* random thoughts - 01/09/2010 07:50:53 PM 497 Views
well wouldn't you gnash your teeth if you were on fire? LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:51:36 PM 1037 Views
Jesus needs to work on his analogies LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:39:12 PM 969 Views
there is a hell random thoughts - 01/09/2010 09:12:34 PM 1026 Views
lollers *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:17:16 PM 487 Views
to each their own... damookster - 01/09/2010 11:02:41 PM 915 Views
+1 *NM* random thoughts - 02/09/2010 03:43:10 AM 460 Views
Something of a false dilemma, that. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 04:10:25 AM 863 Views
or perhaps... damookster - 02/09/2010 04:18:57 AM 1004 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 04:31:33 AM 487 Views
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