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You didn't say anything I disagree with. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 01/09/2010 05:02:59 AM
Yes, it's through the ongoing acts of creation and love that we are sustained by and seek God, so if you want to get down to it humans can't do anything on their own, including achieving salvation. But then ttal depravity is as meaningless and true as saying "humans are utterly inable to say 'lawnchair' on their own." We can't exist on our own. So the recognition of God as Creator, Redeemer, Sustainer is very important, but it's also very important to say "Okay, here's what I've been given; now what?"

I'm not sure there's a real reason for the first if you don't follow up with the second.

If you haven't already, try reading Calvin's Institutes, rather than getting lost in the mess that Calvinists made in the centuries following his death.

Yes, but Calvinism is rather more defined by those people than by Calvin. :P

On a related note, do you know if Lamott's friend Father Tom writes anything? He was one of my favorite things about GRACE (EVENTUALLY).
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

Ghavrel is Ghavrel is Ghavrel

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Preaching the Word: You're doing it wrong. Dannymac - 31/08/2010 08:22:14 AM 1487 Views
Danny if you were my preacher... LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 12:42:59 PM 939 Views
Lots of good stuff Bramhodoulos - 31/08/2010 12:43:57 PM 918 Views
True enough. Dannymac - 31/08/2010 04:29:23 PM 1025 Views
Maybe it's just where you're coming from... Bramhodoulos - 31/08/2010 06:34:09 PM 867 Views
I like it SilverWarder - 31/08/2010 02:48:31 PM 710 Views
I really <3 you. @my - 31/08/2010 03:09:39 PM 892 Views
How much of that is your words? random thoughts - 31/08/2010 03:16:51 PM 995 Views
he is a preacher LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 03:19:44 PM 981 Views
Most of it. Dannymac - 31/08/2010 04:26:24 PM 836 Views
Well done. *NM* Missa Sedai - 31/08/2010 04:46:54 PM 544 Views
I find myself disgusted that... globug0822 - 31/08/2010 05:12:06 PM 938 Views
he's a peachy preacher? LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 05:27:08 PM 931 Views
LOL globug0822 - 31/08/2010 08:31:45 PM 851 Views
Is my church the exception? Jeordam - 31/08/2010 05:33:36 PM 913 Views
Believe it or not... Dannymac - 31/08/2010 06:58:56 PM 871 Views
I'm not so full of myself.... Jeordam - 31/08/2010 07:14:29 PM 990 Views
I wouldn't blame you much if you did... Dannymac - 31/08/2010 07:18:19 PM 794 Views
A little fire & brimstone for thy stomach's sake? Jeordam - 31/08/2010 07:29:20 PM 824 Views
passionate preachers make me uneasy. LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 08:38:05 PM 718 Views
Passion doesn't need to be... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:50:22 PM 984 Views
Why do you take what he says so personally? Francie - 01/09/2010 08:51:06 PM 963 Views
I'm not taking anything personally.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:20:55 PM 1336 Views
good question,why would they? LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:32:25 PM 908 Views
Your assumption... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:44:28 PM 1058 Views
Look him in the eye? LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:59:02 PM 834 Views
Ok... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 10:34:56 PM 953 Views
so you would not say a murderer would go to heaven? LadyLorraine - 02/09/2010 12:21:10 AM 902 Views
Forgiveness and repentance are humanity's most noble qualities. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 12:48:02 AM 832 Views
Isn't love your big thing? Jeordam - 02/09/2010 07:17:30 PM 1030 Views
yah I know. I just always feel like they're trying to sell me something. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:09:13 PM 467 Views
Wouldn't this be.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:22:27 PM 879 Views
nah, i generally feel that way about that particular behavior. it's not exclusive to preachers *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:29:23 PM 513 Views
Re: I wouldn't blame you much if you did... Camilla - 01/09/2010 12:40:20 PM 987 Views
*throws panties at you* globug0822 - 31/08/2010 08:35:13 PM 853 Views
There are churches where people throw panties at each other? random thoughts - 31/08/2010 09:42:17 PM 870 Views
I think you would also have to move to where she lives. I don't know any ones that do that here... *NM* Tashmere - 31/08/2010 09:47:21 PM 509 Views
I could just visit random thoughts - 31/08/2010 09:55:50 PM 884 Views
but it'd be fun to WATCH LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 10:02:58 PM 844 Views
if the panties are the size of revival tents it wouldn't be all that fun *NM* random thoughts - 31/08/2010 10:20:32 PM 436 Views
Why sure it would SilverWarder - 01/09/2010 06:57:05 AM 1007 Views
The Church of Tom Jones. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2010 10:22:59 PM 471 Views
(as if this was the first time) I remember that night at kit & wooly's place..... *NM* Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:51:17 PM 494 Views
I can't speak for everyone LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 08:40:12 PM 1011 Views
Testify Sistah Gaylen! Francie - 01/09/2010 02:47:50 PM 1048 Views
Contemplate this then.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:40:55 PM 860 Views
Re: Believe it or not... TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2010 10:22:20 PM 935 Views
I never thought I could feel so free ee eeee *NM* Francie - 01/09/2010 02:48:18 PM 496 Views
As always, Danu - 31/08/2010 06:04:19 PM 966 Views
If people don't see their need for Jesus as savior, we're doing it wrong. Zalis - 31/08/2010 08:44:36 PM 1008 Views
Well, at least you didn't include the vague "personal." Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 08:59:55 PM 858 Views
....what? LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 09:02:05 PM 856 Views
'Far as I can tell, it was a mock reply. *NM* Zalis - 31/08/2010 09:04:16 PM 444 Views
...ah...blagh. *NM* LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 09:07:00 PM 505 Views
It wasn't. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 09:56:35 PM 495 Views
The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark." Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 10:02:04 PM 770 Views
ahhh I see. That's interesting! *NM* LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 10:03:35 PM 487 Views
Re: The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark." Zalis - 31/08/2010 10:29:16 PM 1017 Views
I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 02:49:24 AM 870 Views
*picks up the thrown glove* Dannymac - 01/09/2010 03:44:53 AM 1017 Views
You didn't say anything I disagree with. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 05:02:59 AM 884 Views
One of your statements suma great deal of Christianity, actually LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 12:39:52 PM 882 Views
So then in your estimation.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:52:12 PM 1095 Views
From what I do know... LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:33:14 PM 1009 Views
How about some homework first? Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:32:32 PM 1089 Views
You do understand LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:35:25 PM 867 Views
You'd be suprised... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:50:12 PM 797 Views
Because I find theology interesting LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 10:04:23 PM 847 Views
You'd make such a good Episcopalian. *NM* Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 12:17:56 AM 399 Views
Coincidently, Ghav... LadyLorraine - 02/09/2010 12:22:10 AM 850 Views
Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 01:03:13 AM 885 Views
Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Zalis - 01/09/2010 03:09:46 PM 1066 Views
Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 11:59:47 PM 1109 Views
Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Zalis - 02/09/2010 01:03:42 AM 937 Views
It isn't henosis. It's a union with God. That's the whole point of the Eucharist, anyway. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 01:13:39 AM 878 Views
"mock"...really??? damookster - 02/09/2010 07:22:34 PM 976 Views
Moralistic, therapeutic Deism sounds like the perfect religion to me... *NM* Legolas - 01/09/2010 04:35:51 PM 466 Views
I think that its a great word to use... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:46:59 PM 991 Views
Bummer Jesus couldn't figure that one out. Dannymac - 01/09/2010 03:48:03 AM 840 Views
"That ye love one another; as I have loved you" is actually somewhat terrifying. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 07:25:19 AM 878 Views
well OBVIOUSLY LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 12:29:20 PM 938 Views
Jesus talked about Hell more than anyone else in the Bible, AFAIK. Zalis - 01/09/2010 02:39:59 PM 948 Views
You might want to research that some SilverWarder - 01/09/2010 02:56:58 PM 852 Views
Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43, for instance. Zalis - 01/09/2010 03:38:00 PM 988 Views
Nice try, but you will notice that the term "Hell" is entirely absent in the King James version SilverWarder - 01/09/2010 06:25:12 PM 968 Views
the weeds will be gathered and burned does seem a little suggestive *NM* random thoughts - 01/09/2010 06:55:44 PM 472 Views
yes of burning. LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:38:07 PM 1001 Views
burning and gnashing teeth *NM* random thoughts - 01/09/2010 07:50:53 PM 491 Views
well wouldn't you gnash your teeth if you were on fire? LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:51:36 PM 1025 Views
Jesus needs to work on his analogies LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:39:12 PM 958 Views
there is a hell random thoughts - 01/09/2010 09:12:34 PM 1008 Views
lollers *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:17:16 PM 483 Views
to each their own... damookster - 01/09/2010 11:02:41 PM 901 Views
+1 *NM* random thoughts - 02/09/2010 03:43:10 AM 453 Views
Something of a false dilemma, that. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 04:10:25 AM 848 Views
or perhaps... damookster - 02/09/2010 04:18:57 AM 986 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 04:31:33 AM 462 Views
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