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See, most people mis-define "hell." Phelix Send a noteboard - 01/09/2010 11:33:30 PM
I was going to burn there forever before. A couple of times. But I have met very few people that actually believe that...at least ones that will admit it.


They think fire and brimstone and eternal torment are what waits right after death. I think it was in John where we're told to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord... but that's just as I recall it.

What those people are doing is conflating "hell/sheol/the afterlife without God" and the Lake of Fire spoken of in The Revelation of John. In his vision, John sees the end of time, the end of existence, when all that God Created is judged, and when the accuser, his demons, and all those not found in the Lamb's Book of Life are put into the Lake of Fire for eternity.

The question, then, is John's vision a literal reality? Most of the rest of his revelation is given is terms that would make sense to a dreaming mind, or that could be allegorical/metaphoric. For that reason, I'm not sure the Lake of Fire with eternal torment is literally what waits for those who didn't accept Christ.

It could be literal, or it could be John's attempt to explain something he didn't understand or couldn't put into words.

That said, most Christians don't realize that there is a difference between where you go when you die and the Lake of Fire mentioned by John.
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So how do you define "Hell"? (*Edit with extra question.) - 01/09/2010 09:27:29 PM 1526 Views
small townish. - 01/09/2010 09:33:18 PM 1072 Views
Hell actually is a small town. - 06/09/2010 07:43:05 AM 1028 Views
No, it is in Norway. *NM* - 18/09/2010 01:31:26 PM 585 Views
endless loops of reality TV, soft rock, and New Age music *NM* - 01/09/2010 09:35:20 PM 485 Views
*shudder* *NM* - 01/09/2010 09:36:39 PM 648 Views
that's right... - 01/09/2010 09:50:01 PM 1029 Views
I completely agree. *NM* - 01/09/2010 11:16:18 PM 566 Views
that is evil. just horrid. *NM* - 02/09/2010 01:40:31 AM 615 Views
Hell, per Phelix... - 01/09/2010 09:44:32 PM 1075 Views
I was going to reply to Tash's question ... - 01/09/2010 09:58:25 PM 1054 Views
High five! - 01/09/2010 11:35:53 PM 1001 Views
My office. - 01/09/2010 09:53:44 PM 999 Views
Outliving the people you love. *NM* - 01/09/2010 10:03:28 PM 560 Views
that's really quite sad. *NM* - 02/09/2010 01:41:18 AM 568 Views
Well if it's not you, then it's them - 02/09/2010 02:52:58 AM 968 Views
burying your children *NM* - 02/09/2010 03:27:29 AM 693 Views
Exactly - 02/09/2010 08:20:28 AM 1027 Views
France. - 01/09/2010 10:03:55 PM 1106 Views
oooh... - 01/09/2010 10:07:54 PM 1046 Views
EVEN WORSE....with ICELANDIC FOOD!!! *NM* - 01/09/2010 10:08:51 PM 601 Views
That doesn't make sense - 01/09/2010 10:17:36 PM 923 Views
I realise German food isn't great - 01/09/2010 10:25:31 PM 1006 Views
Mmmmmmmm... - 01/09/2010 10:50:41 PM 1022 Views
delicious any way you say it *NM* - 02/09/2010 01:21:53 AM 955 Views
You people need a letter limit. - 02/09/2010 02:35:10 AM 901 Views
You people need a longer attention span *NM* - 02/09/2010 08:22:12 AM 601 Views
I believe in Germany there is a word for that - 02/09/2010 10:32:13 AM 1076 Views
But with more ch's and some cute little dots over the vowels. *NM* - 02/09/2010 09:13:36 PM 503 Views
.... for that?? *NM* - 02/09/2010 05:43:48 PM 601 Views
We should reconsider if the retirement home we picked for her in Wales is the right place *NM* - 03/09/2010 08:38:13 AM 637 Views
You are Welsh now? - 03/09/2010 11:41:05 AM 1036 Views
No but they got even longer words than we do! *NM* - 03/09/2010 11:44:49 AM 582 Views
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch? - 03/09/2010 01:00:58 PM 1090 Views
If there is one thing americans know about German food it is... - 06/09/2010 04:32:41 AM 1137 Views
Bratwurst is fucking awesome *NM* - 06/09/2010 07:22:28 PM 601 Views
And British weather? *NM* - 01/09/2010 10:18:31 PM 534 Views
Our weather is a talking point *NM* - 01/09/2010 10:25:52 PM 559 Views
Yes, but when it's the French doing the talking... you see where I'm going with this? *NM* - 01/09/2010 10:27:50 PM 584 Views
touche? *NM* - 01/09/2010 10:29:48 PM 610 Views
Which is why the English are considered boring. *NM* - 01/09/2010 11:18:41 PM 515 Views
It isn't our fault people haven't experienced our weather *NM* - 01/09/2010 11:22:56 PM 643 Views
Does it ever actually change? I thought it was foggy, overcast and damp constantly. - 01/09/2010 11:27:36 PM 975 Views
It is all about timing - 01/09/2010 11:30:14 PM 1047 Views
People in Seattle have. *NM* - 02/09/2010 12:02:14 AM 619 Views
True dat. - 02/09/2010 12:32:22 AM 872 Views
This last time I couldn't get used to it. - 17/09/2010 05:36:03 AM 1191 Views
That's because nobody want to experience you weather! *NM* - 06/09/2010 04:33:29 AM 589 Views
I actually envision it... - 01/09/2010 10:22:16 PM 1147 Views
jaw-pain is that bad then? - 01/09/2010 10:32:18 PM 1002 Views
*shrug* - 01/09/2010 10:49:37 PM 1100 Views
oh i'm sure...but hell-levels of pain? - 02/09/2010 12:59:52 AM 1010 Views
- 01/09/2010 10:47:25 PM 1036 Views
you see how much Tashy has changed.... - 01/09/2010 10:54:59 PM 1162 Views
Hehe. Good one, Mook. *NM* - 01/09/2010 11:20:35 PM 553 Views
Wrong place. *NM* - 01/09/2010 11:22:52 PM 637 Views
So does anybody here actually envision it as burning in fire and brimstone? I have been told that - 01/09/2010 11:25:15 PM 904 Views
See, most people mis-define "hell." - 01/09/2010 11:33:30 PM 984 Views
Yet Christ speaks of it the same way. - 17/09/2010 05:17:57 AM 962 Views
no - 02/09/2010 03:39:38 AM 889 Views
If you want to know what death is like you experience it every night when you sleep. - 06/09/2010 04:37:41 AM 1004 Views
exactly *NM* - 06/09/2010 03:16:24 PM 550 Views
Certainly not. *NM* - 02/09/2010 09:50:19 AM 565 Views
I don't believe in Hell. At least not an eternal one. - 01/09/2010 11:55:02 PM 1165 Views
One of my favorite jokes is along those lines... - 02/09/2010 12:37:18 AM 1030 Views
Hee! Reminds me of Bishop Gene Robinson. - 02/09/2010 12:45:24 AM 839 Views
I love most of the words that come from Gene's mouth. - 02/09/2010 12:48:24 AM 1090 Views
I got to have dinner with him. Sat at his table! He's so funny. - 02/09/2010 01:00:23 AM 912 Views
You realize my envy level just shot through the roof. - 02/09/2010 01:02:06 AM 1039 Views
I know. - 02/09/2010 01:11:25 AM 1054 Views
A full wotmania chat with no ignore, no logout button and none of your friends present. *NM* - 02/09/2010 12:04:18 AM 571 Views
This. *NM* - 02/09/2010 07:49:56 PM 623 Views
I don't believe in hell. *NM* - 02/09/2010 07:50:39 PM 592 Views
That task is beyond my pay grade *NM* - 02/09/2010 01:27:49 AM 544 Views
Hell is the Absence of God. - 02/09/2010 03:12:12 AM 968 Views
I don't know but if they have 3G I will NB you a description when I get there *NM* - 02/09/2010 03:40:04 AM 515 Views
hell has 3G but no signal... - 02/09/2010 03:43:11 AM 971 Views
If there is such a thing - 02/09/2010 04:39:26 AM 1216 Views
No kidding. - 02/09/2010 04:49:38 AM 1006 Views
I agree - 02/09/2010 05:03:32 AM 1065 Views
hmmm. although all that assumes a humanity of your soul in heaven. - 02/09/2010 05:14:33 AM 886 Views
See - that's one of those personal things - 02/09/2010 02:55:34 PM 1165 Views
*shrug* it doesn't mean you aren't you. - 02/09/2010 03:26:56 PM 1156 Views
Perhaps so - 02/09/2010 05:24:33 PM 1119 Views
I don't think that is off topic. Feel free to continue. *NM* - 02/09/2010 07:08:54 PM 506 Views
No, but thanks for extending the offer - 03/09/2010 04:32:31 AM 1001 Views
I liked Sartre's take on it. *NM* - 02/09/2010 02:57:38 PM 550 Views
What is that? "Hell is other people at breakfast"? *NM* - 02/09/2010 07:11:59 PM 488 Views
I'm not sure where the "at breakfast" comes from - 02/09/2010 07:39:26 PM 857 Views
Not simple, but I'll keep it very short - 02/09/2010 03:42:29 PM 1023 Views
so everyone goes to hell? *NM* - 02/09/2010 04:33:05 PM 586 Views
That seems to be the conclusion if one agrees with my premises and line of thought, yes. *NM* - 02/09/2010 04:43:34 PM 423 Views
hmm. - 02/09/2010 05:23:23 PM 1047 Views
That is what it should so... - 02/09/2010 05:26:04 PM 954 Views
INB4 PERFECT SACRIFICE FOR THE WHOLE WORLD *NM* - 02/09/2010 08:44:33 PM 583 Views
Exaclty where I wanted to go! - 02/09/2010 08:59:55 PM 983 Views
Unless... what if we offered something equally perfect and infinitely valuable to make it even? - 17/09/2010 05:04:39 AM 1032 Views
...arrgh. *NM* - 18/09/2010 06:28:29 AM 541 Views
The time when one's responsibilities become Real. *NM* - 02/09/2010 10:09:11 PM 564 Views
Eternal separation from the Creator. God'll give some what they wanted, but they won't like it. *NM* - 03/09/2010 05:53:57 PM 619 Views
As far as Hell itself, this. - 17/09/2010 05:08:02 AM 994 Views
Your God sounds like a sadist. - 17/09/2010 05:12:17 AM 1199 Views
There's one HUGE string attached: - 17/09/2010 05:29:24 AM 1114 Views
- 17/09/2010 03:39:20 PM 949 Views
I promised Tash weeks ago I'd respond when I could. - 18/09/2010 12:25:11 AM 918 Views
I don't get it. - 18/09/2010 06:31:33 AM 1049 Views
My answer is the same as last time. I don't believe in hell. - 17/09/2010 03:37:30 PM 972 Views
I have videoclips to answer that question. - 27/09/2010 05:02:17 PM 1047 Views
Also there's a very appropriate song! - 27/09/2010 05:13:14 PM 1020 Views
You have reminded me why I need to see that film again - 27/09/2010 05:55:13 PM 1129 Views
Tim didn't just dislike it, he said it was dumb. - 27/09/2010 08:17:07 PM 1221 Views
Shocking - 27/09/2010 08:18:47 PM 1254 Views
You could use at least one of the URLs in our link option, ya know? - 28/09/2010 04:16:07 PM 981 Views
I CARE NOT A WHIT FOR YOUR LAZY WAYS, GERMAN. *NM* - 28/09/2010 05:31:39 PM 513 Views

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