In a previous example, you (I think it was you) mentioned that a good nonbelieving man would go to Hell while a murdering believer who asked forgiveness would go to Heaven.
I'm honestly not sure I want to follow a God who would let a murderer walk amongst those he's hurt as if he'd done no harm.
I'm honestly not sure I want to follow a God who would let a murderer walk amongst those he's hurt as if he'd done no harm.
So many people get all shocked and shaken when sin is pointed out. They scream at the top of their lungs that "God is Love". They focus so completely on God's overwhelming love that they don't take into consideration that sin is still sin.
So then with that in mind, and taking into mind what you just said....does God's love only extend to good people? Is not that repentant murderer just as worthy of God's love? Doesn't God love that man too? Everyone is so quick to champion God's love to the exclusion of having to honestly live a holy life...yet when put on the spot, you just said that you wouldn't want to "follow a God who would let a murderer walk amongst those he's hurt as if he'd done no harm."
Where do you draw the line? God's love is awsomely awsome for everyone...except if they've done something really bad? Everyone here at RAFO & wotmania was so hard nose bent on God's love. This was done to the point that conviction of sin was glossed over in favor of "God is love." Well here's a very good test of that, and the results didn't jive with what's been championed.
You asked in an earlier post in this thread about looking at theological attributes and only seeing man...not God. Notice how it was your humanity that limited God just now. You didn't believe that the repentant murderer was worthy of salvation. That was you and your theology...not God's. Notice that God's theology is that every person, no matter what they have done, who honestly repents can be saved. As I said...read the Bible and see what is said. Not what you think is said, but what actually is. Then, don't superceed it with your own thoughts on the matter
~Jeordam
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Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
Preaching the Word: You're doing it wrong.
31/08/2010 08:22:14 AM
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Lots of good stuff
31/08/2010 12:43:57 PM
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Is my church the exception?
31/08/2010 05:33:36 PM
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Believe it or not...
31/08/2010 06:58:56 PM
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I'm not so full of myself....
31/08/2010 07:14:29 PM
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I wouldn't blame you much if you did...
31/08/2010 07:18:19 PM
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A little fire & brimstone for thy stomach's sake?
31/08/2010 07:29:20 PM
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passionate preachers make me uneasy.
31/08/2010 08:38:05 PM
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Passion doesn't need to be...
01/09/2010 03:50:22 PM
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Why do you take what he says so personally?
01/09/2010 08:51:06 PM
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I'm not taking anything personally....
01/09/2010 09:20:55 PM
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good question,why would they?
01/09/2010 09:32:25 PM
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Your assumption...
01/09/2010 09:44:28 PM
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Look him in the eye?
01/09/2010 09:59:02 PM
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Ok...
01/09/2010 10:34:56 PM
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so you would not say a murderer would go to heaven?
02/09/2010 12:21:10 AM
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Isn't love your big thing?
02/09/2010 07:17:30 PM
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yah I know. I just always feel like they're trying to sell me something. *NM*
01/09/2010 09:09:13 PM
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Wouldn't this be....
01/09/2010 09:22:27 PM
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nah, i generally feel that way about that particular behavior. it's not exclusive to preachers
*NM*
01/09/2010 09:29:23 PM
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*throws panties at you*
31/08/2010 08:35:13 PM
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There are churches where people throw panties at each other?
31/08/2010 09:42:17 PM
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I think you would also have to move to where she lives. I don't know any ones that do that here... *NM*
31/08/2010 09:47:21 PM
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I could just visit
31/08/2010 09:55:50 PM
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but it'd be fun to WATCH
31/08/2010 10:02:58 PM
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if the panties are the size of revival tents it wouldn't be all that fun
*NM*
31/08/2010 10:20:32 PM
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(as if this was the first time) I remember that night at kit & wooly's place..... *NM*
01/09/2010 09:51:17 PM
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If people don't see their need for Jesus as savior, we're doing it wrong.
31/08/2010 08:44:36 PM
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Well, at least you didn't include the vague "personal."
31/08/2010 08:59:55 PM
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....what?
31/08/2010 09:02:05 PM
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The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark."
31/08/2010 10:02:04 PM
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Re: The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark."
31/08/2010 10:29:16 PM
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I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing.
01/09/2010 02:49:24 AM
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*picks up the thrown glove*
01/09/2010 03:44:53 AM
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You didn't say anything I disagree with.
01/09/2010 05:02:59 AM
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One of your statements suma great deal of Christianity, actually
01/09/2010 12:39:52 PM
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So then in your estimation....
01/09/2010 03:52:12 PM
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From what I do know...
01/09/2010 07:33:14 PM
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How about some homework first?
01/09/2010 09:32:32 PM
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You do understand
01/09/2010 09:35:25 PM
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You'd be suprised...
01/09/2010 09:50:12 PM
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Because I find theology interesting
01/09/2010 10:04:23 PM
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Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing.
01/09/2010 03:09:46 PM
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Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing.
01/09/2010 11:59:47 PM
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Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing.
02/09/2010 01:03:42 AM
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It isn't henosis. It's a union with God. That's the whole point of the Eucharist, anyway.
02/09/2010 01:13:39 AM
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Moralistic, therapeutic Deism sounds like the perfect religion to me... *NM*
01/09/2010 04:35:51 PM
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Bummer Jesus couldn't figure that one out.
01/09/2010 03:48:03 AM
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"That ye love one another; as I have loved you" is actually somewhat terrifying.
01/09/2010 07:25:19 AM
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Jesus talked about Hell more than anyone else in the Bible, AFAIK.
01/09/2010 02:39:59 PM
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You might want to research that some
01/09/2010 02:56:58 PM
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Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43, for instance.
01/09/2010 03:38:00 PM
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Nice try, but you will notice that the term "Hell" is entirely absent in the King James version
01/09/2010 06:25:12 PM
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the weeds will be gathered and burned does seem a little suggestive *NM*
01/09/2010 06:55:44 PM
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yes of burning.
01/09/2010 07:38:07 PM
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to each their own...
01/09/2010 11:02:41 PM
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