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Possibly a quibble, but just trying to clarify... Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 11/09/2009 05:15:52 PM
I don't understand what all the gender tests entail, and I don't have an opinion on what should qualify as "male" and what "female." I've read a little bit about the various disorders and it sounds like it gets pretty confusing. If she IS male though, as determined by whoever the authorities are, then she definitely should not be allowed to keep her championship. It's not fair to take it from her when she didn't intentionally break the rules, but it's even less fair to the other competitors, the athletes holding the records (records that Semenya smashed, and likely will never be broken if allowed to stand), and so on.


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The issue isn't likely to be that they decide that she "is male", it's likely to be that they decide she "isn't female". I don't know if that changes your opinion or not. To me the issue hinges on whether or not she or her parents or coaches knew.
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Caster Semenya has male sex organs and no womb or ovaries everynametaken - 11/09/2009 12:24:30 PM 1961 Views
I think revoking the championship and a ban at this point would be plain wrong LadyLorraine - 11/09/2009 02:01:15 PM 1113 Views
Well said. Lupine - 11/09/2009 02:10:31 PM 1104 Views
agreed. *NM* Avendesora - 11/09/2009 02:36:06 PM 556 Views
I agree. *NM* @my - 11/09/2009 03:20:05 PM 550 Views
I agree it's not her fault, but she shouldn't keep her championship. Aemon - 11/09/2009 03:50:06 PM 1082 Views
Possibly a quibble, but just trying to clarify... Sareitha Sedai - 11/09/2009 05:15:52 PM 1208 Views
It makes sense StarEnight - 13/09/2009 05:04:23 PM 1136 Views
I disagree Сталин - 11/09/2009 04:09:50 PM 1492 Views
As bad as if feel for the athlete, I agree. *NM* ironclad - 11/09/2009 04:46:57 PM 511 Views
Ditto. Assuming she never knew about it, which remains to be seen. *NM* Wibble - 11/09/2009 08:08:29 PM 515 Views
To the extent that LadyLorraine means "at this point", I do agree with her... Sareitha Sedai - 11/09/2009 05:03:34 PM 1203 Views
Sounds like she/he is more dude than chick..... trzaska2000 - 11/09/2009 02:42:33 PM 1161 Views
not really. it only takes ONE mistake to cause her problems. LadyLorraine - 12/09/2009 03:19:06 AM 1117 Views
It's not that simple with DNA either. Legolas - 12/09/2009 10:38:28 AM 1200 Views
no it's not as simple as "XX" and "XY" LadyLorraine - 12/09/2009 03:02:03 PM 1123 Views
I think it is a sad story random thoughts - 11/09/2009 04:34:29 PM 1164 Views
I agree. everynametaken - 11/09/2009 09:20:35 PM 1211 Views
I like I said, tragic random thoughts - 11/09/2009 09:34:57 PM 1046 Views
I can't believe this whole thing is public Monkey - 11/09/2009 07:03:59 PM 1204 Views
That's a good idea! Floffe - 11/09/2009 07:17:20 PM 1102 Views
Yeah, seems fair. Medal, no record. Legolas - 11/09/2009 07:57:38 PM 1055 Views
How could she not know something was different? Not developing a period would be a major sign. *NM* everynametaken - 11/09/2009 09:21:54 PM 523 Views
Not necessarily, depending on the rigors of her athletic training. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 11/09/2009 09:26:32 PM 507 Views
When do most girls get their first period? Around 12 or 13? everynametaken - 12/09/2009 07:34:23 AM 1051 Views
Yes, but 14 or 15 isn't out of the ordinary *NM* Floffe - 12/09/2009 11:23:09 AM 516 Views
I didn't start until I was 17 *NM* LadyLorraine - 12/09/2009 03:02:28 PM 475 Views
That is a bit unusual. *shrugs* *NM* everynametaken - 13/09/2009 01:17:18 AM 532 Views
starting THAT late is, yes LadyLorraine - 13/09/2009 04:24:44 AM 1295 Views
There are plenty of runners who do hard training that keeps them from getting a regular period Floffe - 11/09/2009 09:29:24 PM 1145 Views
I'd say so too. Periods have a lot to do with % body fat. Lupine - 12/09/2009 12:28:46 AM 1242 Views
Not at the age when a girl first develops her period. everynametaken - 12/09/2009 07:36:24 AM 1120 Views
You have an odd understanding of what's normal... Lupine - 12/09/2009 02:51:37 PM 1128 Views
And you are still missing the point. everynametaken - 13/09/2009 01:18:54 AM 1053 Views
And you're missing the point Sareitha Sedai - 13/09/2009 01:39:46 AM 1098 Views
What Sareitha said. Lupine - 13/09/2009 03:50:05 AM 1227 Views
people develop 30lb tumors and never go to get them checked out random thoughts - 11/09/2009 09:36:18 PM 1151 Views
Well, now that you put it that way I guess I could see that. *NM* everynametaken - 12/09/2009 07:37:18 AM 521 Views
Not that rare in athletes. Tashmere - 12/09/2009 01:06:27 AM 1099 Views
like i said in my first post LadyLorraine - 12/09/2009 03:25:04 AM 1160 Views
I like that idea. That is the most sensible solution. *NM* Tashmere - 12/09/2009 01:07:42 AM 478 Views
This whole thing has been handled disgracefully Sidious - 12/09/2009 12:37:35 PM 1244 Views
Considering that similar questions have arisen before Sareitha Sedai - 13/09/2009 01:43:18 AM 1328 Views
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