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A reasonable response; amazing how it doesn't make me foam at the mouth.... Joel Send a noteboard - 11/09/2010 04:02:10 PM
But, really, it wasn't nearly this bad until the last couple years. Of course, prior to that I had no job OR insurance, so.... *shrugs*


Not that I'm entirely unsympathetic mind you, but routine dental maintenance is actually pretty cheap, cheaper on average if you properly maintain your teeth to pay out of pocket then have insurance, really. National dental care is definitely not something I favor, since I can only see it driving up costs, there's nothing like having a bill for a few thousand dollars to remind yourself to brush and floss regularly. The dental industry has an annual revenue of about 70 billion in the US, which is about $250 a person. Some of that is elective/cosmetic, a lot of that is checkups, but most of it is work done that any dentist will tell you is primarily the byproduct of neglect. If we all pay for it together, out of income taxes, do you think that neglect cost will go up or down? Not trying to lecture you on your life choices but most cavities result from neglect, the equivalent of not changing your oil and burning out your engine. I've had a couple cavities, got a couple fillings, and I know they resulted from laziness on my part, though I'm not saying since I can't know if that's true for yourself. As for budgeting, can't help you there, we all have limited means and have to make sacrifices, some more than others. I smoke, that is expensive as you know and bad for your teeth too, I bet I spend way more on cigs then dentistry a year. I could easily pay for dental insurance by quitting the habit. Ideally, we'd save a lot of money if everyone went in for a regular checkup and bushed and flossed properly, paying for it out of the collective till makes sense, except people being people... well it takes a lot less time to get a filling then to brush your teeth a few hundred times. If you're not paying for it yourself, where's the incentive to do it? Lowest common denominator and all, I don't want dental revenue to go from 70 billion to 140 because 1 out of 10 people slack off oral hygiene.

There's no denying you're right: I have been neglectful, not in terms of dentist care (if you don't got it, you don't got it; that's not a new situation for me or anyone) but in terms of personal care and personal choices. Of course, if I brushed, flossed and gargled five times a day and took all my food intravenously it would be all the same as far as going to a dentist now; I almost certainly wouldn't have as many dental problems, but whether or not I did I'd be every bit as much on my own. I'm about to the point where I wanna say remove all the taxes, shut down the government and let the Ayn Rand groupies live in the world of anarchy they so fervently desire. I have too much integrity to last five seconds in it, but they're too self absorbed to last any longer.

The biggest problem with saying government dental insurance would encourage neglectful personal care is that we don't have it and I'm still here. Yes, there are welfare queens in the US; there will always be people who think it's easier to figure out ways to game the system (and stay current on all the new regs designed to prevent it) than expend that effort supporting themselves. They are far from the majority, and the sad irony is they spend so much time abusing the system they usually know how to circumvent new safeguards before they even take effect. People in genuine need of help do all they can to take care of themselves and only turn to government assistance as a last resort--which leaves them completely unfamiliar with all the bureaucratic stopgaps designed to prevent abuse, so they often get denied due to a minor requirement they could have easily met were they as knowledgeable as those for whom it was intended.
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NSSP: I Live in the Greatest Country on Earth! - 09/09/2010 06:12:06 PM 1764 Views
17 fillings? Do you ever go to the dentist? *NM* - 09/09/2010 06:26:05 PM 438 Views
seriously. that's an insane number of fillings to have been putting off. - 09/09/2010 06:28:09 PM 1082 Views
Give me the time and money, and I'll be happy to do it. - 09/09/2010 06:32:42 PM 1040 Views
This is the first time in my life I've had dental insurance. - 09/09/2010 06:29:44 PM 1100 Views
So in other words it's your own damn fault. - 09/09/2010 07:34:43 PM 1018 Views
"Not that expensive" is a big phrase. - 10/09/2010 05:42:55 AM 980 Views
I've actually been buying Boar's Head knockwurst for grilling. - 10/09/2010 05:46:59 AM 895 Views
Aaaah, thanks. - 10/09/2010 06:13:19 AM 900 Views
have you tried going to a dental school? - 09/09/2010 07:36:15 PM 945 Views
well, I bet it wouldn't have cost you near so much if you hadn't kept putting it off. - 09/09/2010 06:29:50 PM 1047 Views
Yes, I was able to figure that out on my own. - 09/09/2010 06:34:58 PM 1169 Views
whatever. If you put your health second... - 09/09/2010 07:40:20 PM 1101 Views
Millions of Americans do it daily, which was my point. - 10/09/2010 05:48:38 AM 948 Views
17? Wow... do you use cola as mouthwash? *NM* - 09/09/2010 06:46:28 PM 550 Views
Dr. Pepper - 09/09/2010 06:47:32 PM 985 Views
Re: Dr. Pepper - 10/09/2010 07:05:06 PM 1161 Views
A reasonable response; amazing how it doesn't make me foam at the mouth.... - 11/09/2010 04:02:10 PM 1111 Views
(shrugs) I don't mix personal and politics - 11/09/2010 07:21:36 PM 1365 Views
As it should be. - 11/09/2010 09:17:56 PM 1100 Views
By they way, some quick possibly useful advice - 11/09/2010 07:38:02 PM 1081 Views
Yeah, those are the two things I'm thinking. - 11/09/2010 08:47:54 PM 1133 Views
no, that would be the dr. pepper again... - 11/09/2010 07:52:44 PM 1000 Views
no but he is a big fan of Kool-Aid *NM* - 09/09/2010 10:08:25 PM 498 Views
*NM* - 10/09/2010 05:43:06 PM 531 Views
Yikes. - 09/09/2010 08:45:55 PM 994 Views
This is (one of) the thing(s) I love about you: - 10/09/2010 05:34:02 AM 1060 Views
One bit at a time.. - 09/09/2010 10:11:00 PM 965 Views
Indeed. - 10/09/2010 05:54:10 AM 1123 Views
I feel so sorry for people who have to live in uncivilised countries. - 10/09/2010 12:18:11 AM 1022 Views
yes he will be moving to the land known for great dental care *NM* - 10/09/2010 01:01:37 AM 513 Views
LOL A British person lecturing us about anything involving dental care. - 10/09/2010 02:02:33 AM 1125 Views
I love how I'm not the only one to remember very old Simpson episodes! - 10/09/2010 03:58:41 AM 1055 Views
Certainly not! *NM* - 10/09/2010 08:13:07 AM 457 Views
All hail the stereotype! - 10/09/2010 10:12:30 AM 961 Views
Where does that stereotype come from? - 11/09/2010 04:52:41 PM 1303 Views
Also less of an obsession with artficially whitening teeth. *NM* - 11/09/2010 05:33:04 PM 510 Views
Combined with tea? *NM* - 11/09/2010 05:34:25 PM 449 Views
Yeah, about that... - 11/09/2010 09:31:11 PM 1359 Views
Re: Yeah, about that... - 11/09/2010 09:35:15 PM 1355 Views
Still keeping my US citizenship though. - 11/09/2010 09:53:05 PM 1184 Views
It's painful to watch though. - 10/09/2010 06:16:03 AM 998 Views
America is fine. You just suck at it. *NM* - 10/09/2010 12:29:48 AM 577 Views
Suck it up - 10/09/2010 01:27:09 AM 987 Views
Norway doesn't provide dental coverage for anyone over 18. - 10/09/2010 06:09:32 AM 1058 Views
~shrugs~ - 10/09/2010 01:48:24 AM 981 Views
Your travel money would certainly have paid for a lot of dentistry. *NM* - 10/09/2010 02:00:09 AM 531 Views
LITERATEDOG!! - 10/09/2010 02:02:57 AM 1090 Views
Not really. - 10/09/2010 06:21:55 AM 1080 Views
Oh, honey, I don't blame you for the Norway travel. - 10/09/2010 06:35:10 AM 964 Views
Funny thing is I once would've agreed. - 10/09/2010 08:47:34 AM 1061 Views
Boohoo. You made your choices. You prioritized luxuries before dental care. Live with it. - 10/09/2010 04:40:05 PM 1119 Views
Joel opened himself up to this - 10/09/2010 05:22:45 PM 997 Views
But it's all about his personal choices. - 10/09/2010 05:33:42 PM 1097 Views
Yes. - 10/09/2010 06:33:22 PM 1119 Views
Much better put than in my post. What she said. *NM* - 10/09/2010 06:39:27 PM 448 Views
Whatever. Completely ignore my points because you want to hide behind the label "personal choice". - 10/09/2010 11:13:02 PM 934 Views
Ok. - 11/09/2010 07:14:23 AM 966 Views
Actually, no. Not ok. - 11/09/2010 08:23:02 AM 889 Views
But, you know, even then, put the political part of it aside. - 10/09/2010 11:29:36 PM 1067 Views
Excoriate? - 11/09/2010 07:21:03 AM 1385 Views
.sorry, darlin'... - 11/09/2010 03:40:24 AM 1188 Views
and edit. - 11/09/2010 07:23:41 AM 1154 Views
In other words, you made sacrfices for those you love. - 11/09/2010 04:25:08 PM 1240 Views
Actually, most of those choices weren't mine and I opposed them. - 11/09/2010 04:09:43 PM 1054 Views
I have about 3 fiddy - 10/09/2010 05:47:38 PM 987 Views
*submerges and capsizes your boat* - 11/09/2010 04:35:04 PM 1039 Views

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