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IIRC, you think there's a huge pile of misspent money that should be returned to its owners. Joel Send a noteboard - 11/09/2010 04:12:57 PM
So, yes, it is about all his choices and his life because he wants to make those choices and not have to live with what that means. He opened up his "personal life" to scrutiny when he chose to both make it public and then accept no judgments or consequences for it. And then, to top it all off, wants us to feel bad because we as a nation don't want to pay for his dental care which he didn't previously place such a high value on himself.

Americans pay more for health care through their taxes than many countries with general socialized health care, presumably including Norway. If "you as a nation" didn't have such an incredibly inefficient system, you could pay for his dental care with not a single American paying a penny more in taxes than they do now. The man has a point in criticizing said system then, I would think.

As for the real point discussed here, you can of course be annoyed by his rant and react accordingly, but I don't really see how you can claim to know how he spent his money and how he should've spent it instead. Saying he should've gone to the dentist is one thing, but trying to calculate his income and expenses does seem rather exaggerated.


I know how he has spent SOME of his money because he has told people things he has spent his money on. I don't care what he makes. I do care that he wants to make choices and not live with the consequences. In the real world, if you don't have enough money, you have to make tough choices. In the real world, if you don't have enough money, you make more. You don't put your hand in other people's pockets and demand their money.

As for your policy arguments, I don't agree with you. I don't think there is some huge pile of mis-spent money that should be spent on other things for other people. His criticism of "the system" in this post amounted to him lamenting the fact that it didn't pay for what he wanted it to pay for and for which he refused to pay himself.

Which does nada to negate Legolas' very valid point that our system, both private and public, is obscenely wasteful. And, yes, you know only what I've told you; from the moment I arrived at wotmania I tried to be as open as possible about my flaws for the sake of full disclosure. Believe it or not though, there's more to me than that.
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NSSP: I Live in the Greatest Country on Earth! Joel - 09/09/2010 06:12:06 PM 1707 Views
17 fillings? Do you ever go to the dentist? *NM* random thoughts - 09/09/2010 06:26:05 PM 414 Views
seriously. that's an insane number of fillings to have been putting off. LadyLorraine - 09/09/2010 06:28:09 PM 1011 Views
Give me the time and money, and I'll be happy to do it. Joel - 09/09/2010 06:32:42 PM 977 Views
This is the first time in my life I've had dental insurance. Joel - 09/09/2010 06:29:44 PM 1032 Views
So in other words it's your own damn fault. Tom - 09/09/2010 07:34:43 PM 957 Views
"Not that expensive" is a big phrase. Joel - 10/09/2010 05:42:55 AM 923 Views
I've actually been buying Boar's Head knockwurst for grilling. Tom - 10/09/2010 05:46:59 AM 831 Views
Aaaah, thanks. Joel - 10/09/2010 06:13:19 AM 845 Views
have you tried going to a dental school? random thoughts - 09/09/2010 07:36:15 PM 884 Views
Congratulations: You made the first constructive suggestion in the thread. Joel - 10/09/2010 05:37:51 AM 904 Views
well, I bet it wouldn't have cost you near so much if you hadn't kept putting it off. LadyLorraine - 09/09/2010 06:29:50 PM 986 Views
Yes, I was able to figure that out on my own. Joel - 09/09/2010 06:34:58 PM 1110 Views
whatever. If you put your health second... LadyLorraine - 09/09/2010 07:40:20 PM 1040 Views
Millions of Americans do it daily, which was my point. Joel - 10/09/2010 05:48:38 AM 868 Views
17? Wow... do you use cola as mouthwash? *NM* Isaac - 09/09/2010 06:46:28 PM 524 Views
Dr. Pepper Joel - 09/09/2010 06:47:32 PM 928 Views
Re: Dr. Pepper Isaac - 10/09/2010 07:05:06 PM 1092 Views
A reasonable response; amazing how it doesn't make me foam at the mouth.... Joel - 11/09/2010 04:02:10 PM 1042 Views
(shrugs) I don't mix personal and politics Isaac - 11/09/2010 07:21:36 PM 1297 Views
As it should be. Joel - 11/09/2010 09:17:56 PM 1030 Views
By they way, some quick possibly useful advice Isaac - 11/09/2010 07:38:02 PM 1015 Views
Yeah, those are the two things I'm thinking. Joel - 11/09/2010 08:47:54 PM 1047 Views
no, that would be the dr. pepper again... moondog - 11/09/2010 07:52:44 PM 935 Views
no but he is a big fan of Kool-Aid *NM* random thoughts - 09/09/2010 10:08:25 PM 470 Views
*NM* Isaac - 10/09/2010 05:43:06 PM 509 Views
Yikes. nossy - 09/09/2010 08:45:55 PM 916 Views
This is (one of) the thing(s) I love about you: Joel - 10/09/2010 05:34:02 AM 1007 Views
would it save you money if they just ripped them all out and put in dentures instead? *NM* moondog - 09/09/2010 09:32:41 PM 535 Views
Honestly not sure, but that may be what happens. Joel - 10/09/2010 05:36:15 AM 866 Views
One bit at a time.. Kel - 09/09/2010 10:11:00 PM 903 Views
Indeed. Joel - 10/09/2010 05:54:10 AM 1062 Views
I feel so sorry for people who have to live in uncivilised countries. Tim - 10/09/2010 12:18:11 AM 966 Views
yes he will be moving to the land known for great dental care *NM* random thoughts - 10/09/2010 01:01:37 AM 488 Views
I think I must have been channeling a drunken poet when I wrote that insult ßelals Girl - 10/09/2010 01:23:45 AM 1074 Views
LOL A British person lecturing us about anything involving dental care. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 02:02:33 AM 1063 Views
I love how I'm not the only one to remember very old Simpson episodes! Dark Knight - 10/09/2010 03:58:41 AM 992 Views
When I posted regularly and prolifically that was kinda my thing. Joel - 10/09/2010 06:17:03 AM 916 Views
Certainly not! *NM* ironclad - 10/09/2010 08:13:07 AM 429 Views
All hail the stereotype! Tim - 10/09/2010 10:12:30 AM 894 Views
Where does that stereotype come from? Camilla - 11/09/2010 04:52:41 PM 1237 Views
Also less of an obsession with artficially whitening teeth. *NM* Legolas - 11/09/2010 05:33:04 PM 485 Views
Combined with tea? *NM* Camilla - 11/09/2010 05:34:25 PM 428 Views
Yeah, about that... Joel - 11/09/2010 09:31:11 PM 1289 Views
Re: Yeah, about that... Camilla - 11/09/2010 09:35:15 PM 1291 Views
Still keeping my US citizenship though. Joel - 11/09/2010 09:53:05 PM 1095 Views
It's painful to watch though. Joel - 10/09/2010 06:16:03 AM 948 Views
America is fine. You just suck at it. *NM* Dark Cannoli'gar - 10/09/2010 12:29:48 AM 556 Views
Sorry for the national debt nearly as large as our GDP, falling standard of living and Iraq War. Joel - 10/09/2010 05:57:34 AM 907 Views
Suck it up ßelals Girl - 10/09/2010 01:27:09 AM 928 Views
Norway doesn't provide dental coverage for anyone over 18. Joel - 10/09/2010 06:09:32 AM 1002 Views
~shrugs~ damookster - 10/09/2010 01:48:24 AM 921 Views
In this case I did without so I could get to work every day, and put my arm back in its socket. Joel - 10/09/2010 06:19:11 AM 907 Views
Your travel money would certainly have paid for a lot of dentistry. *NM* LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 02:00:09 AM 507 Views
LITERATEDOG!! ßelals Girl - 10/09/2010 02:02:57 AM 1021 Views
I was trying to go the Facebook route, but no one wants to debate anything there. *NM* LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 02:04:48 AM 541 Views
The only people that reply to you on Facebook are people who already like you and agree with you. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 10/09/2010 03:07:22 AM 500 Views
Xactly. Hide everyone else. *NM* nossy - 10/09/2010 03:22:36 AM 366 Views
Not really. Joel - 10/09/2010 06:21:55 AM 1012 Views
Oh, honey, I don't blame you for the Norway travel. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 06:35:10 AM 894 Views
Funny thing is I once would've agreed. Joel - 10/09/2010 08:47:34 AM 1005 Views
Boohoo. You made your choices. You prioritized luxuries before dental care. Live with it. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 04:40:05 PM 1053 Views
Joel opened himself up to this nossy - 10/09/2010 05:22:45 PM 929 Views
But it's all about his personal choices. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 05:33:42 PM 1036 Views
A rather tangential point, but since you keep talking about what "you as a nation" pay for... Legolas - 10/09/2010 06:07:10 PM 907 Views
I couldn't care less what his actual income is. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 06:16:41 PM 916 Views
IIRC, you think there's a huge pile of misspent money that should be returned to its owners. Joel - 11/09/2010 04:12:57 PM 990 Views
Yes. nossy - 10/09/2010 06:33:22 PM 1055 Views
Much better put than in my post. What she said. *NM* Legolas - 10/09/2010 06:39:27 PM 426 Views
Whatever. Completely ignore my points because you want to hide behind the label "personal choice". LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 11:13:02 PM 874 Views
Ok. nossy - 11/09/2010 07:14:23 AM 897 Views
Actually, no. Not ok. nossy - 11/09/2010 08:23:02 AM 822 Views
But, you know, even then, put the political part of it aside. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 11:29:36 PM 995 Views
Excoriate? nossy - 11/09/2010 07:21:03 AM 1322 Views
.sorry, darlin'... damookster - 11/09/2010 03:40:24 AM 1126 Views
and edit. nossy - 11/09/2010 07:23:41 AM 1093 Views
In other words, you made sacrfices for those you love. Joel - 11/09/2010 04:25:08 PM 1184 Views
Actually, most of those choices weren't mine and I opposed them. Joel - 11/09/2010 04:09:43 PM 973 Views
"if you really work as much as you claim, then you must piss money away at an astounding rate" eh? Joel - 11/09/2010 03:49:58 PM 1126 Views
And your comparison of a celebratory party to the basic right to marry itself is ludicrous. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 06:55:18 AM 1239 Views
That's an unfortunate situation... Vivien - 10/09/2010 05:10:01 PM 1081 Views
*hugs* I'm glad you got it taken care of though, and glad to hear from you; been a little worried. Joel - 11/09/2010 04:34:31 PM 1011 Views
I have about 3 fiddy BlackAdder - 10/09/2010 05:47:38 PM 922 Views
*submerges and capsizes your boat* Joel - 11/09/2010 04:35:04 PM 980 Views
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