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Honestly, I think the "one time event" is the biggest problem. Joel Send a noteboard - 12/10/2010 04:20:04 AM
The issue is it would take about five or six respected, well-liked and entertaining rafonauts, with enough motivation to initiate the communication method and then appeal to their cohorts to join in. And do it regularly enough that it isn't a one-time event.

There have been spates of Skype activity periodically since wotmania went down and took it Chat with it, but it's like pulling teeth to get more than two or three people to try it at the same TIME. A few people come in for a couple days, see it's not this sprawling free for all with dozens of people, get bored and move on; a few weeks later a couple other people come in and do the same thing. It's like NASA sent out SETI probes, got bored when they didn't hear anything after a week, and everyone was off playing video games by the time ET phoned home.

Which is how I came to settle into just hanging out with the people who do visit regularly, or at least semi-regularly. It was never my goal to create a substitute for wotmania Chat, though Skype chats and conference calls generally my desire for that. In terms of architecture, I think it could fill that void for most people, but this conceit that there's some vast legion of unserviced chatters doesn't square with my observations, however limited my perspective. There are a couple dozen people who like some chat sometimes, depending on who's in there. That doesn't seem to really justify creating an entire new section of the site, when something's already filling that need without giving Ben any more to do (unless you count removing himself from a Skype convo when I create a new one and pull in every wotmaniac on my contact list. :P)

Just providing a place to have a Chat isn't going to bring back all the old wotmania Chat regulars though. If that's the problem, I suggest someone start sending emails, 'cos it ain't as easy as "if you build it he will come. " Trust me. Skype provides every electronic requirement. In fact, it has several things Chat lacked; boots stick and anyone who doesn't like it can just try and start another call/chat (of course, as was learned early on, that doesn't mean anyone will answer. ;)) People depend on who shows up at any given time, which is why I try to encourage as many people as possible to do so as often as possible. If all the things that made Chat desirable are absent though, giving them one more venue in which to be absent isn't going to make anything better, and doing it on RAFO WOULD make a lot more work for Ben.
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I've already had several days like that. Yet people keep insisting RAFO is better without chat. *NM* - 10/10/2010 05:29:46 PM 376 Views
it depends which chat we get. - 10/10/2010 05:44:58 PM 634 Views
You're in the Skype Chat now, btw. - 10/10/2010 10:59:24 PM 579 Views
When chat used to be down for long stretches, everyone would just pile into AIM chat. - 10/10/2010 06:54:33 PM 711 Views
Which they could easily do with Skype and get voice, yet no one does. - 10/10/2010 10:56:55 PM 730 Views
The idea of voice chat creeps me out on so many levels *NM* - 11/10/2010 12:34:22 AM 685 Views
So don't do voice; we rarely do. - 11/10/2010 07:35:33 AM 681 Views
Same *NM* - 11/10/2010 09:40:29 AM 283 Views
Is that why the Edinburgh gathering pics are always nothing but sign language and dirty gestures? *NM* - 11/10/2010 10:36:00 PM 369 Views
Come and find out *NM* - 11/10/2010 10:48:56 PM 252 Views
The group that is popularized as being a part of that is not enticing to long standing wotmaniacs. *NM* - 11/10/2010 03:29:57 AM 386 Views
This. *NM* - 11/10/2010 04:43:52 AM 242 Views
Then that, again, seems a problem that coding can't solve. - 11/10/2010 07:33:32 AM 711 Views
I don't think most want to download another program when they had it so easy before. - 11/10/2010 10:39:55 PM 736 Views
Honestly, I think the "one time event" is the biggest problem. - 12/10/2010 04:20:04 AM 737 Views
I disagree. I don't think enough people think it worth the effort to deal with Skype. - 12/10/2010 04:28:21 AM 650 Views
What effort? - 12/10/2010 04:38:42 AM 626 Views
The effort beyond clicking two buttons. - 13/10/2010 04:25:57 AM 509 Views
Install, make a SN and search for people you email. - 13/10/2010 04:43:09 AM 682 Views
Re: - 12/10/2010 11:00:56 PM 518 Views
Then where are they? - 13/10/2010 04:00:46 AM 589 Views
You have a faulty memory. Chat was incredibly active as late as 2007. - 13/10/2010 04:24:25 AM 663 Views
Again, that's people, and not/having Chat won't change that. - 13/10/2010 04:45:40 AM 658 Views
Incorrect - 13/10/2010 04:58:30 AM 673 Views
Initially only the person who started it can boot. - 13/10/2010 05:12:27 AM 740 Views
Re: Initially only the person who started it can boot. - 13/10/2010 02:45:50 PM 610 Views
And me! - 13/10/2010 03:27:15 PM 602 Views
oops, sorry about that. *NM* - 13/10/2010 03:42:33 PM 560 Views
What do you mean where are they? There isn't a chat linked to the site. - 13/10/2010 10:44:10 PM 706 Views
So? - 14/10/2010 04:52:37 AM 666 Views
Are you deliberately trying to not understand? - 14/10/2010 05:54:16 AM 794 Views
Not deliberately. - 14/10/2010 06:21:09 AM 683 Views
I doubt that as well, frankly. *NM* - 13/10/2010 03:32:33 PM 292 Views
Things aren't what they used to be... - 13/10/2010 10:46:04 PM 605 Views
No - 13/10/2010 04:45:29 AM 582 Views
"Unmoderated" would be going too far. - 13/10/2010 04:53:19 AM 729 Views
Most of the group consists of long-standing Wotmaniacs, so. *NM* - 12/10/2010 05:25:39 AM 359 Views
I probably didn't phrase that right. Maybe an -er after long and an "in good" before standing. - 12/10/2010 11:02:30 PM 692 Views
Also, what qualifies as "good standing"? Who's the judge? *NM* - 13/10/2010 05:36:23 AM 399 Views
The one who wants to chat, of course? *NM* - 13/10/2010 07:23:15 AM 361 Views
Jonte is right. The judges are numerous. Each with their own motivations and interests. *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:10:04 PM 334 Views
I'd fuck myself to death with a spike of frozen cat piss before I'd chat with that skype crowd. - 13/10/2010 11:42:16 PM 712 Views
Colorful. You big, gay elitist. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:06:14 AM 362 Views
See - 14/10/2010 05:42:21 AM 577 Views
we are Rafonauts now. - 13/10/2010 03:16:32 PM 547 Views
Yeah, I know, I came up with the term. Many still consider the "old gang" as "wotmaniacs" though. - 13/10/2010 11:01:58 PM 730 Views
I sure hope you're right. - 14/10/2010 05:04:26 AM 757 Views
I am RAFOlk. - 14/10/2010 06:22:25 AM 577 Views
When I got facebook I stopped logging in to aim. - 11/10/2010 01:24:26 AM 591 Views
There's a Chat if you want one. - 10/10/2010 11:01:57 PM 709 Views
i wouldn't say mutely - 10/10/2010 11:40:13 PM 671 Views
Ditto. - 10/10/2010 11:53:32 PM 614 Views
Well, like I said, talk about something else. - 11/10/2010 01:32:15 AM 620 Views
do you know how hard it is stopping sports fanatics talking about sports? - 11/10/2010 09:59:56 AM 713 Views
I'll usually shut up if someone carries another topic. - 12/10/2010 04:25:19 AM 656 Views
I'd deign to chat with you, m'friend. *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:43:13 PM 321 Views
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While I'm passing through, "Hi wooly and Kit. Long time." *NM* - 14/10/2010 10:14:49 PM 365 Views

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