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I guess what i was trying to ask, at least in part random thoughts Send a noteboard - 12/10/2010 09:48:24 PM
is do we use the same moral code we use for dealing with people when deal with large corporations who feel zero obligation to act that way? If you have ever let your checking account get short and seen what sort fees they are willing to charge you really can't question if they put morality before profits. You and the bank both knew there were risk involved why should you be wiling to step up and be the only one paying the price when the risk doesn’t pan out? They are more than willing to screw you the first chance they get.

Also the question of how much of a sense of personal obligation should we feel towards society as whole? Does it make sense to keep spending a huge chuck of your salary on house that will never be worth what you are paying simply out of a sense of obligation to society? Do you keep doing it when you see your property value falling even more because your neighbors are bailing out?

When do you stop being noble and become a sucker?
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Is walking away from a mortgage immoral? - 12/10/2010 04:45:43 PM 1563 Views
Just as a contract is a two way street - - 12/10/2010 05:12:09 PM 1038 Views
do we have a moral obligation to society? - 12/10/2010 06:00:17 PM 1026 Views
It's a good question - 14/10/2010 02:41:21 AM 935 Views
Sort of have to disagree... - 13/10/2010 02:52:07 AM 999 Views
That's not true actually - 14/10/2010 02:35:43 AM 931 Views
Of course it's immoral. - 12/10/2010 05:13:16 PM 1008 Views
But does one sided morality work? - 12/10/2010 05:38:56 PM 1119 Views
That's the only kind of morality there is! What the hell is wrong with you? - 12/10/2010 08:15:55 PM 954 Views
nothing wrong with me but I think you are off your meds again - 12/10/2010 09:34:33 PM 938 Views
Re: nothing wrong with me but I think you are off your meds again - 15/10/2010 02:50:49 PM 1449 Views
well I really can't argue with the wrong is wrong end of story belief system - 15/10/2010 05:40:22 PM 1139 Views
A contract isn't a promise; it's a legal agreement. *NM* - 12/10/2010 06:25:24 PM 468 Views
Which is why contracts have to be pages and pages long and combed over by bloodsucking lawyers. - 12/10/2010 06:39:18 PM 977 Views
I would agree with you if contracts didn't provide for breaking them. - 12/10/2010 07:33:15 PM 833 Views
Hrm. - 12/10/2010 07:35:38 PM 1048 Views
It's not immoral to break the marriage contract. - 12/10/2010 08:19:50 PM 1095 Views
I don't see that as the flaw in my logic. - 12/10/2010 08:37:52 PM 1007 Views
Re: I don't see that as the flaw in my logic. - 12/10/2010 09:00:00 PM 1091 Views
also - 12/10/2010 09:37:38 PM 948 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever. - 13/10/2010 11:38:06 PM 1085 Views
That must be why they have you sign something called an agreementory note *NM* - 12/10/2010 07:33:32 PM 488 Views
Exactly *NM* - 12/10/2010 07:58:25 PM 454 Views
So, you think bankruptcy laws are immoral? - 13/10/2010 12:18:43 AM 980 Views
I don't think it's immoral at all. The contract usually specifies penalties for breach. - 12/10/2010 05:28:34 PM 1085 Views
I thought the answer might be something like that. *NM* - 12/10/2010 05:35:35 PM 441 Views
that is close to the way I see it - 12/10/2010 05:45:25 PM 936 Views
It's both legal and immoral. - 12/10/2010 06:37:49 PM 1008 Views
You didn't mention the third party - 12/10/2010 08:26:56 PM 858 Views
in a way I did since I did mention society - 12/10/2010 08:54:07 PM 1010 Views
Thus the edit - 12/10/2010 09:10:53 PM 1029 Views
either way I think you made a good point *NM* - 12/10/2010 09:38:58 PM 432 Views
will those neighbors... - 14/10/2010 04:52:26 AM 1171 Views
All depends where you get your morals from, really. - 12/10/2010 08:28:41 PM 1001 Views
I guess what i was trying to ask, at least in part - 12/10/2010 09:48:24 PM 1010 Views
What if you look at it from the other perspective? - 12/10/2010 09:00:20 PM 1033 Views
do you think they would if they had a legal way to do it? - 12/10/2010 10:04:57 PM 983 Views
Good point. *NM* - 12/10/2010 11:10:26 PM 453 Views
Sure, you could do that. - 13/10/2010 01:54:55 AM 1029 Views
Much like the concept of morality itself. - 12/10/2010 11:47:23 PM 930 Views
I find this line particularly interesting. - 13/10/2010 12:13:18 AM 968 Views
Dunno. - 13/10/2010 12:56:56 AM 1070 Views
As a professional in financial services - no, it is not. - 13/10/2010 01:44:18 AM 966 Views
but almost nobody sees it that way - 13/10/2010 12:53:25 PM 966 Views
Is the deal that if you default, the bank gets the house and nothing else, though? - 13/10/2010 02:40:48 PM 956 Views
yes but the bank has a limited ability to collect - 13/10/2010 02:47:34 PM 874 Views
I think it's morally wrong to walk away from credit card debt. *NM* - 13/10/2010 09:43:11 PM 443 Views
I'm curious how you reconcile that - 13/10/2010 09:47:59 PM 988 Views
Collateral - 19/10/2010 07:21:14 PM 1484 Views
I agree, what do you think is different? - 13/10/2010 09:59:36 PM 978 Views
I lost sleep over it, but I did it anyway. - 13/10/2010 05:24:19 AM 1059 Views
OK what if you take it a step further - 13/10/2010 03:44:30 PM 1069 Views
Good question - 14/10/2010 05:13:41 AM 1034 Views
I have some questions about this issue. - 13/10/2010 08:14:37 AM 985 Views
how do those questions affect the morality of the situation? - 13/10/2010 03:20:14 PM 930 Views
Obviously, the essential difference is can't pay versus won't pay. - 13/10/2010 02:16:07 PM 950 Views
are you socializing your debt when it is a private bank? - 13/10/2010 03:14:48 PM 1004 Views
You are when said bank requires a bailout. And very many of them do. - 13/10/2010 03:22:59 PM 952 Views
it is the home fault that the banks have to be bailed out - 13/10/2010 03:49:37 PM 1000 Views
I believe it immoral to do harm. - 13/10/2010 04:38:28 PM 1018 Views
I really don't understand a system where this could be an advantage. - 13/10/2010 11:16:57 PM 960 Views
There's generally something like a 7 or 10 year limit on credit reporting here. - 13/10/2010 11:46:58 PM 984 Views
What's the use of suing someone who has no money? *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:48:47 PM 503 Views
You can garnish their wages. - 13/10/2010 11:49:36 PM 964 Views
With parsley? - 13/10/2010 11:51:37 PM 1041 Views
No, "someone" most certainly did not, wicked young Miss! Hmph! *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:52:40 PM 490 Views
If they suddenly come into some, you're entitled to it. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:07:34 AM 566 Views
Bit of a long shot. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:09:12 AM 439 Views
Very. Best to cover your bases though. *NM* - 14/10/2010 10:04:25 PM 456 Views
Not if the doctrine of election applies. - 14/10/2010 10:14:07 PM 943 Views
Are we not talking about credit companies going after people who owe them money? - 14/10/2010 10:18:47 PM 984 Views
Yeah, I guess we are. - 14/10/2010 10:28:40 PM 1014 Views
Re: - 14/10/2010 03:09:18 AM 989 Views
I am currently in that situation... - 14/10/2010 05:03:23 AM 1088 Views
Re: I am currently in that situation... - 14/10/2010 05:49:24 PM 1300 Views
it is easy for me and others to be glib when it is just a theory *NM* - 14/10/2010 08:19:16 PM 444 Views

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