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Good question John Send a noteboard - 14/10/2010 05:13:41 AM
And by the way, I think this one of the most interesting posts I've seen in a while.

Ultimately, some of the financial loss I've handed to the bank is being taken care of by taxes I've paid. So, between that and the fact that I did try to work with them I think any moral obligation to them is over. Even if that weren't the case, I still might have done it. Their policies are the reason my house was so expensive in the first place, and then lost so much value. They made all kinds of money during the housing boom, so it's only fair if they take some of the loss.

I would feel like I let my neighbors down, but my foreclosure didn't drop their property values at all. The banks here in Bakersfield are already holding so much inventory that the market will stay stable as long as they only sell it off bit by bit, which they have been. My foreclosure will only make the recovery in my city take a tiny bit longer. So really, not much of a moral obligation there either.

I think it was just hard to put it in the right perspective while the process was happenning. Thus the lost sleep.
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do we have a moral obligation to society? - 12/10/2010 06:00:17 PM 1114 Views
It's a good question - 14/10/2010 02:41:21 AM 1019 Views
Sort of have to disagree... - 13/10/2010 02:52:07 AM 1095 Views
That's not true actually - 14/10/2010 02:35:43 AM 1004 Views
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That's the only kind of morality there is! What the hell is wrong with you? - 12/10/2010 08:15:55 PM 1042 Views
nothing wrong with me but I think you are off your meds again - 12/10/2010 09:34:33 PM 1027 Views
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well I really can't argue with the wrong is wrong end of story belief system - 15/10/2010 05:40:22 PM 1225 Views
A contract isn't a promise; it's a legal agreement. *NM* - 12/10/2010 06:25:24 PM 507 Views
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Re: I don't see that as the flaw in my logic. - 12/10/2010 09:00:00 PM 1168 Views
also - 12/10/2010 09:37:38 PM 1036 Views
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Exactly *NM* - 12/10/2010 07:58:25 PM 493 Views
So, you think bankruptcy laws are immoral? - 13/10/2010 12:18:43 AM 1065 Views
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that is close to the way I see it - 12/10/2010 05:45:25 PM 1019 Views
It's both legal and immoral. - 12/10/2010 06:37:49 PM 1131 Views
You didn't mention the third party - 12/10/2010 08:26:56 PM 944 Views
in a way I did since I did mention society - 12/10/2010 08:54:07 PM 1091 Views
Thus the edit - 12/10/2010 09:10:53 PM 1105 Views
either way I think you made a good point *NM* - 12/10/2010 09:38:58 PM 467 Views
will those neighbors... - 14/10/2010 04:52:26 AM 1272 Views
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What if you look at it from the other perspective? - 12/10/2010 09:00:20 PM 1125 Views
do you think they would if they had a legal way to do it? - 12/10/2010 10:04:57 PM 1069 Views
Good point. *NM* - 12/10/2010 11:10:26 PM 490 Views
Sure, you could do that. - 13/10/2010 01:54:55 AM 1107 Views
Much like the concept of morality itself. - 12/10/2010 11:47:23 PM 1015 Views
I find this line particularly interesting. - 13/10/2010 12:13:18 AM 1060 Views
Dunno. - 13/10/2010 12:56:56 AM 1162 Views
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Is the deal that if you default, the bank gets the house and nothing else, though? - 13/10/2010 02:40:48 PM 1031 Views
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Collateral - 19/10/2010 07:21:14 PM 1572 Views
I agree, what do you think is different? - 13/10/2010 09:59:36 PM 1050 Views
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OK what if you take it a step further - 13/10/2010 03:44:30 PM 1150 Views
Good question - 14/10/2010 05:13:41 AM 1122 Views
I have some questions about this issue. - 13/10/2010 08:14:37 AM 1060 Views
how do those questions affect the morality of the situation? - 13/10/2010 03:20:14 PM 1010 Views
Obviously, the essential difference is can't pay versus won't pay. - 13/10/2010 02:16:07 PM 1030 Views
are you socializing your debt when it is a private bank? - 13/10/2010 03:14:48 PM 1092 Views
You are when said bank requires a bailout. And very many of them do. - 13/10/2010 03:22:59 PM 1025 Views
it is the home fault that the banks have to be bailed out - 13/10/2010 03:49:37 PM 1089 Views
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I really don't understand a system where this could be an advantage. - 13/10/2010 11:16:57 PM 1045 Views
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What's the use of suing someone who has no money? *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:48:47 PM 549 Views
You can garnish their wages. - 13/10/2010 11:49:36 PM 1049 Views
With parsley? - 13/10/2010 11:51:37 PM 1115 Views
No, "someone" most certainly did not, wicked young Miss! Hmph! *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:52:40 PM 530 Views
If they suddenly come into some, you're entitled to it. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:07:34 AM 604 Views
Bit of a long shot. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:09:12 AM 483 Views
Very. Best to cover your bases though. *NM* - 14/10/2010 10:04:25 PM 501 Views
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Are we not talking about credit companies going after people who owe them money? - 14/10/2010 10:18:47 PM 1074 Views
Yeah, I guess we are. - 14/10/2010 10:28:40 PM 1096 Views
Re: - 14/10/2010 03:09:18 AM 1058 Views
I am currently in that situation... - 14/10/2010 05:03:23 AM 1159 Views
Re: I am currently in that situation... - 14/10/2010 05:49:24 PM 1399 Views
it is easy for me and others to be glib when it is just a theory *NM* - 14/10/2010 08:19:16 PM 485 Views

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