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Good question John Send a noteboard - 14/10/2010 05:13:41 AM
And by the way, I think this one of the most interesting posts I've seen in a while.

Ultimately, some of the financial loss I've handed to the bank is being taken care of by taxes I've paid. So, between that and the fact that I did try to work with them I think any moral obligation to them is over. Even if that weren't the case, I still might have done it. Their policies are the reason my house was so expensive in the first place, and then lost so much value. They made all kinds of money during the housing boom, so it's only fair if they take some of the loss.

I would feel like I let my neighbors down, but my foreclosure didn't drop their property values at all. The banks here in Bakersfield are already holding so much inventory that the market will stay stable as long as they only sell it off bit by bit, which they have been. My foreclosure will only make the recovery in my city take a tiny bit longer. So really, not much of a moral obligation there either.

I think it was just hard to put it in the right perspective while the process was happenning. Thus the lost sleep.
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Just as a contract is a two way street - - 12/10/2010 05:12:09 PM 983 Views
do we have a moral obligation to society? - 12/10/2010 06:00:17 PM 971 Views
It's a good question - 14/10/2010 02:41:21 AM 879 Views
Sort of have to disagree... - 13/10/2010 02:52:07 AM 941 Views
That's not true actually - 14/10/2010 02:35:43 AM 871 Views
Of course it's immoral. - 12/10/2010 05:13:16 PM 941 Views
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That's the only kind of morality there is! What the hell is wrong with you? - 12/10/2010 08:15:55 PM 888 Views
nothing wrong with me but I think you are off your meds again - 12/10/2010 09:34:33 PM 892 Views
Re: nothing wrong with me but I think you are off your meds again - 15/10/2010 02:50:49 PM 1388 Views
well I really can't argue with the wrong is wrong end of story belief system - 15/10/2010 05:40:22 PM 1086 Views
A contract isn't a promise; it's a legal agreement. *NM* - 12/10/2010 06:25:24 PM 441 Views
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Re: I don't see that as the flaw in my logic. - 12/10/2010 09:00:00 PM 1034 Views
also - 12/10/2010 09:37:38 PM 895 Views
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That must be why they have you sign something called an agreementory note *NM* - 12/10/2010 07:33:32 PM 462 Views
Exactly *NM* - 12/10/2010 07:58:25 PM 430 Views
So, you think bankruptcy laws are immoral? - 13/10/2010 12:18:43 AM 921 Views
I don't think it's immoral at all. The contract usually specifies penalties for breach. - 12/10/2010 05:28:34 PM 1032 Views
I thought the answer might be something like that. *NM* - 12/10/2010 05:35:35 PM 411 Views
that is close to the way I see it - 12/10/2010 05:45:25 PM 872 Views
It's both legal and immoral. - 12/10/2010 06:37:49 PM 957 Views
You didn't mention the third party - 12/10/2010 08:26:56 PM 808 Views
in a way I did since I did mention society - 12/10/2010 08:54:07 PM 948 Views
Thus the edit - 12/10/2010 09:10:53 PM 982 Views
either way I think you made a good point *NM* - 12/10/2010 09:38:58 PM 411 Views
will those neighbors... - 14/10/2010 04:52:26 AM 1096 Views
All depends where you get your morals from, really. - 12/10/2010 08:28:41 PM 941 Views
I guess what i was trying to ask, at least in part - 12/10/2010 09:48:24 PM 933 Views
What if you look at it from the other perspective? - 12/10/2010 09:00:20 PM 956 Views
do you think they would if they had a legal way to do it? - 12/10/2010 10:04:57 PM 933 Views
Good point. *NM* - 12/10/2010 11:10:26 PM 430 Views
Sure, you could do that. - 13/10/2010 01:54:55 AM 964 Views
Much like the concept of morality itself. - 12/10/2010 11:47:23 PM 876 Views
I find this line particularly interesting. - 13/10/2010 12:13:18 AM 904 Views
Dunno. - 13/10/2010 12:56:56 AM 1000 Views
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Is the deal that if you default, the bank gets the house and nothing else, though? - 13/10/2010 02:40:48 PM 898 Views
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Collateral - 19/10/2010 07:21:14 PM 1425 Views
I agree, what do you think is different? - 13/10/2010 09:59:36 PM 924 Views
I lost sleep over it, but I did it anyway. - 13/10/2010 05:24:19 AM 998 Views
OK what if you take it a step further - 13/10/2010 03:44:30 PM 973 Views
Good question - 14/10/2010 05:13:41 AM 971 Views
I have some questions about this issue. - 13/10/2010 08:14:37 AM 928 Views
how do those questions affect the morality of the situation? - 13/10/2010 03:20:14 PM 871 Views
Obviously, the essential difference is can't pay versus won't pay. - 13/10/2010 02:16:07 PM 882 Views
are you socializing your debt when it is a private bank? - 13/10/2010 03:14:48 PM 954 Views
You are when said bank requires a bailout. And very many of them do. - 13/10/2010 03:22:59 PM 897 Views
it is the home fault that the banks have to be bailed out - 13/10/2010 03:49:37 PM 947 Views
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I really don't understand a system where this could be an advantage. - 13/10/2010 11:16:57 PM 908 Views
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What's the use of suing someone who has no money? *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:48:47 PM 480 Views
You can garnish their wages. - 13/10/2010 11:49:36 PM 910 Views
With parsley? - 13/10/2010 11:51:37 PM 969 Views
No, "someone" most certainly did not, wicked young Miss! Hmph! *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:52:40 PM 466 Views
If they suddenly come into some, you're entitled to it. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:07:34 AM 545 Views
Bit of a long shot. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:09:12 AM 409 Views
Very. Best to cover your bases though. *NM* - 14/10/2010 10:04:25 PM 431 Views
Not if the doctrine of election applies. - 14/10/2010 10:14:07 PM 880 Views
Are we not talking about credit companies going after people who owe them money? - 14/10/2010 10:18:47 PM 927 Views
Yeah, I guess we are. - 14/10/2010 10:28:40 PM 961 Views
Re: - 14/10/2010 03:09:18 AM 916 Views
I am currently in that situation... - 14/10/2010 05:03:23 AM 1026 Views
Re: I am currently in that situation... - 14/10/2010 05:49:24 PM 1242 Views
it is easy for me and others to be glib when it is just a theory *NM* - 14/10/2010 08:19:16 PM 419 Views

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