Re: (meant to be under the main thread, but I can't move it)
Gaps Send a noteboard - 20/10/2010 02:42:23 AM
It was honestly one of the saddest things I've ever seen, and yet -- I laughed.
And to whatever wingnut is out there: don't chime in like Rush and O'Donnell's campaign noting that the constitution doesn't exactly say "separation of church and state". The people feebly defending her using this argument appear just as dense as the Republican nominee did. That's like the old uberliberal argument (which I do not support, being a big believer in an armed populace) that the second amendment doesn't support individual gun ownership because of the term "militia".
(edit: also, I like peaches).
And to whatever wingnut is out there: don't chime in like Rush and O'Donnell's campaign noting that the constitution doesn't exactly say "separation of church and state". The people feebly defending her using this argument appear just as dense as the Republican nominee did. That's like the old uberliberal argument (which I do not support, being a big believer in an armed populace) that the second amendment doesn't support individual gun ownership because of the term "militia".
(edit: also, I like peaches).
I cannot even copy his manner because the manner of his prose was the manner of his thinking and that was a dazzling succession of gaps; and you cannot ape a gap because you are bound to fill it in somehow or other -- and blot it out in the process. -- Nabokov
This message last edited by Gaps on 20/10/2010 at 02:43:13 AM
"Where in the Constitution is separation of church and state?"
- 20/10/2010 12:33:05 AM
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You don't want her?
- 20/10/2010 01:21:20 AM
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I have decided for the first time in my life to not vote this year.
- 20/10/2010 01:27:13 AM
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Now there's an answer 
- 20/10/2010 01:47:28 AM
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- 20/10/2010 01:47:28 AM
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And most of those posts are a guess at best.
- 20/10/2010 03:02:04 AM
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Local bonds/ballot initiatives? Want the only major road within 10 miles of your house tolled?
- 21/10/2010 01:50:41 PM
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Can you not spoil your ballot?
- 20/10/2010 10:19:54 AM
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I don't think so but an intentional no vote is just as valid as voting IMHO. *NM*
- 21/10/2010 02:45:35 AM
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When you don't vote the bad guys win. That simple.
- 20/10/2010 01:53:23 PM
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The bad guys? That implies that there are some "good" guys somewhere in politics.
- 20/10/2010 05:43:06 PM
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I didn't say that, just that the bad guys automatically win if you don't vote.
- 20/10/2010 05:49:43 PM
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Re: I have decided for the first time in my life to not vote this year.
- 20/10/2010 02:54:04 PM
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She is a buffoon of course. But what I am speechless about is...
- 20/10/2010 01:25:43 AM
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Re: She is a buffoon of course. But what I am speechless about is...
- 20/10/2010 01:35:48 AM
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Re: (meant to be under the main thread, but I can't move it)
- 20/10/2010 02:42:23 AM
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i feel kinda bad for her
- 20/10/2010 03:31:03 AM
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What is odd about this is that everyone is used to the 'separation' idea that they don't bother to
- 20/10/2010 06:44:48 AM
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Or, you know, the letters on the topic written by the people who drafted the Constitution *NM*
- 20/10/2010 07:04:47 AM
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She's right.
- 20/10/2010 12:27:55 PM
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I'm less concerned about what she said than why she said it. *NM*
- 20/10/2010 01:32:38 PM
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It is on youtube
- 20/10/2010 02:40:12 PM
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Jesus Christ
- 20/10/2010 03:03:30 PM
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Re: Jesus Christ
- 20/10/2010 03:32:02 PM
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Re: Jesus Christ
- 20/10/2010 03:36:48 PM
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Re: Jesus Christ
- 20/10/2010 03:53:46 PM
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Re: Jesus Christ
- 20/10/2010 04:01:49 PM
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Because she knew her audience, she expected them to know better, not be deliberately obtuse.
- 21/10/2010 02:31:19 PM
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Re: Because she knew her audience, she expected them to know better, not be deliberately obtuse.
- 21/10/2010 02:40:23 PM
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If the subsequent rulings aren't Constitutional they don't matter.
- 21/10/2010 03:03:11 PM
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Re: If the subsequent rulings aren't Constitutional they don't matter.
- 21/10/2010 03:57:45 PM
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She focused on the First Amendments text, and ignored the rest as commentary.
- 21/10/2010 04:49:22 PM
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Ok.
- 21/10/2010 05:01:22 PM
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I certainly don't think she deserves the scorn being heaped on her this time.
- 21/10/2010 05:14:03 PM
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See Dreaded Anomaly's reply below.
- 21/10/2010 03:03:02 PM
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Done.
- 21/10/2010 04:50:52 PM
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The last statement is the only relevant one, and still a bit ambiguous.
- 20/10/2010 03:51:35 PM
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I think it is clear that that argument is beyond her capabilities. It was not what she was saying. *NM*
- 21/10/2010 02:50:33 AM
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Separation of church and state is not in the Constitution, so she's right.
- 21/10/2010 03:41:27 PM
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I see we have replaced the PDS with ODS
- 20/10/2010 03:05:58 PM
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It only depends on just how finely one wants to split hairs.
- 20/10/2010 04:02:28 PM
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no it depends how far you want to stretch the Constitution to say things it doesn't say
- 20/10/2010 04:19:04 PM
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Treaty of Tripoli through the Establishment clause fairly explicitly affirms this. Sorry. *NM*
- 21/10/2010 03:56:09 AM
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OK which clause allows for amending the Constitution by treaty? I can't seem to find it *NM*
- 21/10/2010 02:59:01 PM
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Supremacy clause, not establishment clause. My mistake.
- 21/10/2010 05:07:18 PM
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Sorry, but the Treaty of Tripolis relevant section still seems like commentary.
- 21/10/2010 05:18:00 PM
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This is quickly becoming infuriating.
- 22/10/2010 01:41:18 AM
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No, it's part of the treaty.
- 22/10/2010 02:02:42 AM
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Take it up with the Supremacy Clause. 
*NM*
- 22/10/2010 02:12:11 AM
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*NM*
- 22/10/2010 02:12:11 AM
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So from 1797 we've been at "perpetual peace" with Libya?
- 22/10/2010 02:25:44 AM
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Fair enough as regards the treaty being broken.
- 22/10/2010 02:38:37 AM
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Seems to apply to the Tenth Amendment only, not the Constitution as a whole.
- 22/10/2010 02:56:27 AM
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When a treaty is ratified by the senate, its provisions become federal law via a few processes.
- 22/10/2010 03:02:24 AM
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Even if we take that at face value, a law can still be unconstitutional.
- 22/10/2010 03:19:07 AM
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it was a poor decision anyway since Amendments should be seen to modify the original
- 22/10/2010 02:11:22 PM
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no your mistake was misreading the clause
- 21/10/2010 05:48:52 PM
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Very difficult not to lose my temper here.
- 22/10/2010 01:39:21 AM
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Then you should argue it violate a treaty with a country that no longer exist
- 22/10/2010 02:03:32 PM
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She's so... bewildered!
- 20/10/2010 06:40:04 PM
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that is what I think when I read a lot of the responses here
- 20/10/2010 07:44:40 PM
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She was still confused when he clarified what he meant, is what's funny *NM*
- 20/10/2010 08:56:56 PM
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Because the logical conclusion is obvious.
- 21/10/2010 03:08:39 AM
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I think it is logical that it means what is say not want some want it to say
- 21/10/2010 03:02:08 PM
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Nonsense. The nature of the nation was already changing in the first generation.
- 22/10/2010 12:35:26 AM
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I think it funny that so many people can't see that what she was actually saying was true
- 20/10/2010 09:23:23 PM
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I think it is funny that you think that she could argue that angle when she clearly can't. *NM*
- 21/10/2010 03:10:43 AM
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For those who think O'Donnell is correct, even on a technicality:
- 20/10/2010 10:49:40 PM
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She reiterates her question about "separation of church and state" and he repeatedly dodges.
- 21/10/2010 03:19:56 PM
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or she wasn't really paying attnetion to him and was still trying to argue her first point
- 21/10/2010 03:24:06 PM
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Heh...reminds me of Obama claiming to have visited all fifty seven states.
- 22/10/2010 12:44:58 AM
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My favorite bit is how people are attacking the judicary because they disagree with rulings.
- 21/10/2010 05:12:01 PM
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so you believe we all should just accept what the courts say without question?
- 21/10/2010 05:54:42 PM
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Given that it's you, Joel and Christine O'Donnell versus two centuries of jurisprudence? YES. *NM*
- 22/10/2010 01:49:01 AM
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Y'know, an alliance as unlikely as that one ought to give you cause for a second look.
- 22/10/2010 03:03:05 AM
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yes we are the only ones who don't think the courts can rewrtie the Constitution at will *NM*
- 22/10/2010 02:04:44 PM
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yes we are the only ones who don't think the courts can rewrtie the Constitution at will *NM*
- 22/10/2010 02:04:44 PM
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Come, my brethren! All Hallows Eve approachs, and we have much to do!
- 22/10/2010 05:34:01 PM
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