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I think you should assume we're not idiots Isaac Send a noteboard - 05/11/2010 02:05:51 AM
We have all grown up on a steady diet of advertising, I don't know why you find the toy troublesome, its no different then any of the following:

A fortune cookie

A comic in a Bazooka Joe gum wrapper

A piece of trivia printed on a sugar packet, oatmeal, or cereal box

The toys regularly include in snack and cereal boxes

Or for a non-food example:
In the newspaper... the comics, the crossword, the horoscope, and advice columns... none of which qualify as news, except arguably the horoscope, since in theory they are providing people very relevant and personal news.

What all of these things have in common is that they are add-ons not directly connected to the obvious purpose of the product, and they are included because more people like them enough to cover the additional cost then reject the product for the increased cost. They're not cocaine, its not sinister, its fools who think they know what's best because everyone else are stupid sheep that are the real problem, because they focus on one thing, get hysterical, and ignore all the parallel cases.

Many people like fortune cookies just enough to sway some people into eating there, many people go to one restaurant because they like the decor, neither of these examples, nor the Happy Meal Toy, represent legit add-ons to nutritious or delicious food in of themselves. Just as the crossword or the horoscope don't make my paper any more informative nor does the trivia on my sugar packet make my coffee any sweeter and God knows the whip cream and chocolate sprinkles on my mocha certainly aren't significantly increasing my caffeine intake. They just add something extra to the experience, and people like that something extra, so the producers give it to them. A car gets you from point A to point B, a radio is not necessary, but its popular and so its a standard feature, increasing the cost of a vehicle, the toy is the same, and I think everyone knows this, most of us have watched thousands of hours of commercials in our lives after all, you don't really think any parents thought McD's threw in toys for altruism or didn't think a kid who enjoyed the toy might be more inclined to want another Happy Meal in the future, did you?

There are literally thousands if not millions of examples of these tiny little lures used to promote items, the only excuse to go after fast food on this while ignoring everyone else is that its bad for your health, but as Chas just pointed out, citing an article an incredibly clever fellow on this site once posted, fast food as particularly unhealthy is basically nonsense, thus removing even that incredibly thin justification. I don't think 'coco-puffs with secret treasure inside' ever fooled many adults for its health value, and as we say, if it did fool them, then the kids under their parentage have much more serious hurdles for their childhood then a slightly increased risk of cavities and obesity, like Dad's bad habit of blowing the family savings on bridges people keep selling him for low low prices.
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San Francisco Bans The Happy Meal - 04/11/2010 04:00:12 AM 1934 Views
Great. Now I'll never finish my Polly Pocket army. *NM* - 04/11/2010 05:10:26 AM 543 Views
now, they only really banned the toy that comes with the happy meal if it doesn't meet guidelines - 04/11/2010 06:32:46 AM 1223 Views
yup - 04/11/2010 09:23:44 AM 1251 Views
Indeed. *NM* - 04/11/2010 09:36:53 AM 476 Views
Yes *NM* - 04/11/2010 10:59:52 AM 533 Views
the government should not have to right to say how I feed my child - 04/11/2010 01:37:41 PM 1062 Views
I find feeding happy meals to children far more appalling. - 04/11/2010 01:39:13 PM 1018 Views
what you like to eat really isn't the point though - 04/11/2010 02:13:31 PM 1162 Views
I know, I was just saying that McDonald's is crappy, period - 04/11/2010 02:16:19 PM 998 Views
the government limits the kind of advertising your child sees during saturday morning cartoons - 04/11/2010 03:36:47 PM 950 Views
that isn't even close to the same thing - 04/11/2010 04:15:09 PM 1067 Views
Don't forget the removal of more and more activity. - 05/11/2010 12:32:03 AM 915 Views
yeah that is why kids are getting fat - 05/11/2010 04:26:38 AM 960 Views
wow, ever consider that political leanings have nothing to do with my opinion - 05/11/2010 11:59:15 AM 1138 Views
your the one who wanted to bring your politics into it - 05/11/2010 12:23:08 PM 989 Views
uhm, what? I said no such thing. - 05/11/2010 12:33:22 PM 1133 Views
maybe I spend to much time arguing with Joel - 05/11/2010 02:20:34 PM 1066 Views
that is likely the case - 05/11/2010 03:26:46 PM 1173 Views
it is exactly the same thing you're just trying to dance around the issue - 05/11/2010 06:31:26 AM 1137 Views
saying something does not make it true - 05/11/2010 12:17:00 PM 1135 Views
what choices are you being denied? - 05/11/2010 02:59:00 PM 979 Views
well I can't buy my kid a happy meal with toy in it - 05/11/2010 04:43:44 PM 979 Views
The metric system rocks *NM* - 04/11/2010 09:18:29 AM 675 Views
Good! *NM* - 04/11/2010 09:36:21 AM 671 Views
I wouldn't touch the metric system with a 1.038m pole *NM* - 04/11/2010 10:47:51 AM 653 Views
You mean 3.048m (10 feet) *NM* - 04/11/2010 05:22:58 PM 620 Views
Yes...don't know where I got 1.038m from *NM* - 05/11/2010 01:24:21 AM 627 Views
The law is just fighting a small symptom of a much bigger problem - 04/11/2010 11:24:19 AM 1310 Views
yes - 04/11/2010 11:47:47 AM 1346 Views
make something idiot-proof and we'll just make better idiots... - 05/11/2010 06:33:54 AM 984 Views
100% agree, in respect to this and other related subjects. - 04/11/2010 01:42:32 PM 1200 Views
why do you think Wendy's is more healthy than McDonalds? - 05/11/2010 04:30:54 AM 1188 Views
it's not MUCH more healthy. - 05/11/2010 12:00:31 PM 984 Views
I don't think the toy is that big of a draw for kids, really. - 04/11/2010 05:11:10 PM 1029 Views
The toys were a definite draw for mine - 05/11/2010 08:20:05 AM 1065 Views
Perhaps - 05/11/2010 07:41:17 PM 1190 Views
Here in Aus we have fruit bags, and water etc. options for Happy Meals - 04/11/2010 12:32:16 PM 1041 Views
The healthier variety is starting to become more common in kids meals. - 04/11/2010 12:50:44 PM 1159 Views
milk or juice have ALWAYS been options, and every mcdonalds i've been to has offered the apples. *NM* - 04/11/2010 01:36:34 PM 606 Views
Too bad milk and juice are horrible choices too. *NM* - 04/11/2010 10:54:36 PM 650 Views
uhmm, bullshit. - 04/11/2010 11:39:09 PM 1189 Views
Juice is nothing but sugar and milk as healthy is debatable. - 05/11/2010 12:37:34 AM 1179 Views
juice is not just sugar. - 05/11/2010 02:11:12 AM 1143 Views
I'm not talking about juicing vegetables and fresh fruit. - 05/11/2010 03:06:54 AM 1103 Views
no it was not clear. You merely said "Juice" - 05/11/2010 03:16:01 AM 1167 Views
Milk is delicious. And it (when low-fat/skim) isn't actively bad for you. - 05/11/2010 03:33:53 AM 942 Views
I know, but...just...EW. - 05/11/2010 03:43:49 AM 1230 Views
but it is yummy and you make yummy things out of it - 05/11/2010 02:47:37 PM 954 Views
I like the yummy foods made, I admit. - 05/11/2010 03:35:28 PM 1000 Views
Agreed, as long as it's treated the right way (i.e. not the American way). *NM* - 05/11/2010 09:56:16 AM 614 Views
Please elaborate. - 05/11/2010 01:27:45 PM 1129 Views
I remember the first time I came to Northern America (Canada, then) and tried drinking milk... - 05/11/2010 04:44:01 PM 1181 Views
You can get UHT milk - 05/11/2010 04:47:53 PM 1012 Views
I think what you describe... - 05/11/2010 05:21:35 PM 1120 Views
Indeed it is. - 05/11/2010 05:49:48 PM 1039 Views
How about the water? - 05/11/2010 06:24:09 PM 987 Views
No idea... didn't really notice anything there. - 05/11/2010 06:40:16 PM 1110 Views
Tap water in Philly tasted sooo much like chlorine - 08/11/2010 11:43:36 AM 1098 Views
No UHT in Scandinavia, though - 05/11/2010 06:34:17 PM 1138 Views
Oh yeah, that UHT milk is evil. *NM* - 05/11/2010 09:30:35 PM 636 Views
OK. My bad. - 05/11/2010 04:11:53 AM 1229 Views
Re: juice is not just sugar. - 05/11/2010 01:11:06 PM 1061 Views
so what do you think kids should drink? - 05/11/2010 04:28:36 AM 1106 Views
Do this little experiment. Please. - 05/11/2010 12:53:49 PM 981 Views
that is why my kids drinks milk or water and not juice 99% of time - 05/11/2010 02:03:08 PM 1043 Views
Of course! - 05/11/2010 02:11:35 PM 1172 Views
I am fighting my wife right now over the yogurt in a tube crap - 05/11/2010 02:35:41 PM 969 Views
Ok did some math. - 05/11/2010 04:35:48 PM 1224 Views
she buys Horizon which is 57 grams 10 of which are sugar - 05/11/2010 05:16:22 PM 1071 Views
I'm with you on this one. *NM* - 05/11/2010 12:37:59 PM 605 Views
it is - 04/11/2010 02:11:44 PM 1287 Views
This is pretty stupid. - 04/11/2010 02:13:17 PM 1150 Views
That part was a bit of hyperbole, I'm afraid. *NM* - 04/11/2010 03:01:52 PM 638 Views
Not very much! - 04/11/2010 03:04:58 PM 1036 Views
And - 04/11/2010 03:17:34 PM 1227 Views
Re: And - 04/11/2010 03:27:12 PM 1158 Views
You know what? - 04/11/2010 03:35:54 PM 922 Views
I feel so exploited now - 04/11/2010 03:31:26 PM 1344 Views
*dons detective hat* Very interesting... - 04/11/2010 03:35:08 PM 952 Views
Re: *dons detective hat* Very interesting... - 04/11/2010 03:57:04 PM 1189 Views
Another hint - 04/11/2010 04:02:54 PM 1098 Views
Re: Another hint - 04/11/2010 04:23:28 PM 1132 Views
Ah, Republicans and sex scandals. They go together like beer and kebabs, - 04/11/2010 04:29:19 PM 988 Views
So, that would make him mexican? *NM* - 04/11/2010 06:54:03 PM 618 Views
Hmm - 04/11/2010 04:27:00 PM 1032 Views
40 hours? Really? - 06/11/2010 06:59:57 PM 1118 Views
Wow. *NM* - 04/11/2010 11:56:45 PM 614 Views
No kidding. *NM* - 05/11/2010 03:08:20 AM 595 Views
All we need is for someone else to pay for our national defense and we can do it *NM* - 04/11/2010 04:16:28 PM 640 Views
That makes me even less likely to enjoy those last 8 hours. - 09/11/2010 03:12:53 PM 988 Views
They should ban something which may have effect instead. - 04/11/2010 02:27:05 PM 1209 Views
The toys do have effect. It's a positive reinforcer to eating the meal. - 04/11/2010 10:57:49 PM 942 Views
So it's back to being a small cheeseburger meal then? *NM* - 04/11/2010 02:30:34 PM 638 Views
What a bunch of morons. - 04/11/2010 06:45:31 PM 1205 Views
these are the same people who keep sending Pelosi back year after year *NM* - 04/11/2010 06:49:16 PM 477 Views
I accidentally posted this in the wrong spot. I reposted below to the original thread. - 04/11/2010 11:22:32 PM 1155 Views
Re: - 05/11/2010 12:02:41 AM 999 Views
I'm not sure what your point is. - 05/11/2010 12:42:14 AM 950 Views
That fast food is not inherently bad/unhealthy. - 05/11/2010 01:16:51 AM 1160 Views
Many here don't seem to understand the purpose of the toy. - 05/11/2010 12:43:27 AM 1190 Views
I think you should assume we're not idiots - 05/11/2010 02:05:51 AM 1029 Views
I never said anybody was an idiot. - 05/11/2010 04:09:51 AM 1332 Views
kids of the happy meal age should not be deciding what they get to eat - 05/11/2010 04:37:43 AM 1240 Views
This. - 05/11/2010 02:00:32 PM 956 Views
Re: kids of the happy meal age should not be deciding what they get to eat - 05/11/2010 06:27:21 PM 1106 Views
Your overly-simplified psychology is wrong - 05/11/2010 01:58:55 PM 1158 Views
raw milk is banned because of the potential of illness. - 05/11/2010 06:20:01 PM 1110 Views
You miss my point (or helped me make it) - 05/11/2010 07:58:59 PM 995 Views
because raw milk SALE AND DISTRIBUTION does not only affect the individual. - 05/11/2010 08:37:10 PM 1293 Views
Excuse me, I have a degree in psychology and I have oversimplified nothing. - 05/11/2010 06:42:24 PM 1256 Views
Like others have said... - 05/11/2010 08:03:09 PM 1190 Views
Jesus Christ. Are you daft or what? - 05/11/2010 11:04:41 PM 972 Views
silly rabbit, science is for suckers!! - 06/11/2010 12:28:31 AM 1064 Views
psychology is a pseudoscience - 10/11/2010 07:13:52 PM 1761 Views
Well - 06/11/2010 07:27:51 PM 1276 Views
As a mother of a Wongy Junior all of 9 years... - 08/11/2010 03:07:00 AM 1276 Views
if they wanted to have a real impact they would ban drive throughs *NM* - 05/11/2010 04:39:52 AM 602 Views
My opinion: This is bad form. - 05/11/2010 01:18:25 PM 1095 Views
oO but that's what's so AMAZINGLY DELICIOUS about soda.. - 06/11/2010 02:02:45 AM 1118 Views
Yet again government not letting people make their own decisions - 10/11/2010 03:01:15 AM 1209 Views

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