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Well, I don't actually agree with the first part of your Catch-22. At least, not entirely. Tom Send a noteboard - 30/11/2010 02:43:13 PM
No life other than us makes it easier to say that the emergence of life in the universe was an accident, a one-off sort of thing that happened for no reason despite our best efforts to impute a reason.

Life everywhere makes life seem like a natural progression of the growth of the universe. If sentient life exists elsewhere, then sentience is a natural goal of the universe, which may support the idea that conscious existence is something the universe is striving for.

Combine that with the cyclical reality that is presupposed by the "echoes of pre-Big Bang events" that removes the linear isolation of the universe and you have a much richer reality being hinted at.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Is NASA set to reveal on Thursday signs of possible extraterrestial life within the solar system? Larry - 30/11/2010 03:49:40 AM 1100 Views
Interesting. Darth_Katie - 30/11/2010 04:43:15 AM 581 Views
crap! I will be watching this! dacole - 30/11/2010 05:04:58 AM 715 Views
Goddammit Wikileaks get on this *NM* beetnemesis - 30/11/2010 05:05:19 AM 294 Views
There's no one to smear, why would wikileaks be interested? *NM* Macharius - 30/11/2010 01:45:58 PM 254 Views
photsynthesis using arsnic hmm I am going to have to check this out dacole - 30/11/2010 05:07:22 AM 705 Views
If there is life in the solar system then it is likely a natural development in the universe. Tom - 30/11/2010 05:12:38 AM 619 Views
Re: If there is life in the solar system then it is likely a natural development in the universe. dacole - 30/11/2010 05:18:05 AM 777 Views
Seems to put atheists in a bit of a catch-22 there. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 05:54:25 AM 704 Views
Bwa? Craig - 30/11/2010 06:45:33 AM 667 Views
Sorry, yeah. That is not my position. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 07:03:17 AM 662 Views
The best will be when we find other intelligent life beetnemesis - 30/11/2010 02:32:35 PM 586 Views
Well, I don't actually agree with the first part of your Catch-22. At least, not entirely. Tom - 30/11/2010 02:43:13 PM 709 Views
Using anthropomorphic terms to describe the universe only reflects on you, not on the universe. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 30/11/2010 07:31:04 PM 300 Views
What an arbitrary and meaningless statement. *NM* Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 07:52:13 PM 227 Views
Anthropomorphizing concepts is a cognitive bias. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/11/2010 11:19:23 PM 577 Views
Only given a certain metaphysical framework. Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 12:18:09 AM 619 Views
Mind dumbing that down a bit? Isaac - 01/12/2010 12:43:47 AM 558 Views
I think he is saying Darth_Katie - 01/12/2010 01:26:34 AM 754 Views
That ain't not a lot simpler Isaac - 01/12/2010 01:35:38 AM 683 Views
Yes. Darth_Katie - 01/12/2010 01:44:41 AM 634 Views
In short, demanding that everyone use your particular worldview is unfair. Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 02:21:26 AM 654 Views
Those worldviews are unsupported by empirical evidence. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 01:41:27 AM 713 Views
No worldviews are supported by empirical evidence. *NM* ranagrande - 01/12/2010 01:57:23 AM 270 Views
Empiricism is unsupported by empirical evidence. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 02:21:52 AM 245 Views
Empirical evidence is the only objective standard. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 02:59:18 AM 613 Views
Empirical evidence cannot fully explain reality. ranagrande - 01/12/2010 03:28:41 AM 690 Views
Re: Question (use google now!): what's the net energy of the universe? Gaps - 01/12/2010 03:35:57 AM 637 Views
Re: Gaps - 01/12/2010 03:45:22 AM 836 Views
Re: Re: ranagrande - 01/12/2010 04:04:38 AM 620 Views
Time does not exist separately from space, as Einstein demonstrated almost a century ago. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 03:36:56 AM 695 Views
I have my own theories about time, but they're not ready for presentation yet ranagrande - 01/12/2010 03:56:38 AM 934 Views
Re: I have my own theories about time, but they're not ready for presentation yet Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 04:30:44 AM 1006 Views
Yes. I know what empiricism is. Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 05:17:05 AM 930 Views
Re: You are a smart person. Gaps - 01/12/2010 03:09:13 AM 601 Views
Thanks. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 03:30:46 AM 844 Views
Interesting. I agree with what you're saying, actually. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 07:49:51 PM 557 Views
It won't change the argument in the least. Dannymac - 01/12/2010 05:26:16 AM 748 Views
I have the feeling it's probably not going to be that. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 06:02:48 AM 620 Views
Ohh, exciting! ironclad - 30/11/2010 08:37:32 AM 591 Views
noooo! Yunalesca - 30/11/2010 10:19:27 AM 554 Views
Boring primitive things would be cool. Darth_Katie - 30/11/2010 02:54:10 PM 559 Views
Hey, there's a name I recognize, "Iron Lisa" Isaac - 30/11/2010 09:25:01 AM 694 Views
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE beetnemesis - 30/11/2010 02:33:30 PM 650 Views
I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords. *NM* ranagrande - 30/11/2010 02:35:04 PM 247 Views
"I, for one, welcome our new INSECT overlords"! Isaac - 01/12/2010 12:40:27 AM 630 Views
but we don't know if they're insects yet! ranagrande - 01/12/2010 12:55:52 AM 570 Views
I'll not bow to any mere Bacterial Overlords, Eukaryote Overlords only!!! *NM* Isaac - 01/12/2010 01:02:20 AM 254 Views
So you're prejudiced against the nuclearly challenged? ranagrande - 01/12/2010 01:09:57 AM 581 Views
It's this kind of blind adherence to political correctness that is tearing us apart! Darth_Katie - 01/12/2010 01:28:39 AM 565 Views
Down right genocidal toward them Isaac - 01/12/2010 01:31:47 AM 565 Views
Genocide is a bit extreme ranagrande - 01/12/2010 02:13:18 AM 595 Views
They had better have a green man *NM* Camilla - 30/11/2010 10:45:56 AM 218 Views
Because you need somebody to attack Aginor and Balthamel? *NM* TaskmasterJack - 01/12/2010 01:04:23 AM 221 Views
Oh no you didn't *NM* Camilla - 01/12/2010 01:14:55 AM 217 Views
Seriously. Craig - 01/12/2010 01:26:54 AM 553 Views
Re: But then you got turned on just thinking about the phrase? Gaps - 01/12/2010 02:23:02 AM 647 Views
I'm actually a tiny bit giddy about this. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 01/12/2010 01:04:49 AM 233 Views
Re: Arsenic. *NM* Gaps - 01/12/2010 02:09:51 AM 249 Views
Re: Perhaps just as awesomely: Gaps - 01/12/2010 02:21:35 AM 694 Views
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