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Re: Shannow Send a noteboard - 13/01/2011 07:49:56 PM
If you're going to argue about the importance of the rule of law, I suggest you start looking at prehistory and work your way forward.


In tribal times, there were the medicine men. In the Middle Ages, there were the priests. Today, there are the lawyers. For every age, a group of bright boys, learned in their trades and jealous of their learning, who blend technical competence with plain and fancy hocus-pocus to make themselves masters of their fellow men. For every age, a pseudo-intellectual autocracy, guarding the tricks of the trade from the uninitiated, and running, after its own pattern, the civilization of its day.

Fred Rodell
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What motivates someone to pull out all the stops defending the Arizona shooter in court? Shannow - 13/01/2011 06:46:14 PM 1709 Views
Because even the guilty are entitled to a full and proper defence. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 06:58:51 PM 1123 Views
A belief in everyone's right to a defense? *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:02:24 PM 588 Views
Isn't it a little strange... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:08:49 PM 1224 Views
I don't know anything about the woman or the people she has defended before Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:10:56 PM 1104 Views
Timothy Mcveigh, Eric Rudolph, Theodore Kazynski, Zacharias Moussai, Susan Smith... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:16:07 PM 1266 Views
All of these strike me as people who might not get a fair hearing. Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:18:24 PM 1177 Views
Re: All of these strike me as people who might not get a fair hearing. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 07:23:15 PM 1046 Views
So once you sit down and have a heart to heart with your client an discover that he is simply evil.. Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:30:53 PM 1271 Views
My god, man, take an ethics class. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:37:16 PM 1094 Views
So by your ethics... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:40:36 PM 1257 Views
If he can't be defended he can't be tried and thus he can't be convicted. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 07:44:57 PM 1284 Views
I suspect he disparages "technicalities" as well. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:48:14 PM 534 Views
some techincalites deserve it random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:01:26 PM 1116 Views
True. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 08:54:25 PM 528 Views
How is justice served if the accused has no defense? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:47:01 PM 539 Views
Who said she sought out anyone? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 01:29:38 AM 1128 Views
Maybe he IS insane ßelals Girl - 13/01/2011 07:17:46 PM 1158 Views
So what if he is? Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:11:44 AM 1010 Views
No, it doesn't change what he did. Rebekah - 14/01/2011 06:22:06 PM 1111 Views
Plus ßelals Girl - 14/01/2011 08:05:36 PM 1199 Views
Capital punishment is more expensive than life in prison. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:34:29 PM 1229 Views
So in other words out of self interest I should admire her? Now THAT's evil... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:38:36 PM 1311 Views
Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:40:42 PM 1050 Views
Re: Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:49:56 PM 1202 Views
That's a critique of Lawyers, not a critique of Rule of Law. Dan - 13/01/2011 08:37:20 PM 1195 Views
Do you know what happened before there were defence lawyers for all accused? *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 10:37:55 PM 581 Views
Do you believe the severity of the crime should affect your defense? random thoughts - 13/01/2011 07:45:16 PM 1086 Views
No. Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:44:05 PM 1340 Views
How do you decide if it was "in cold blood" or not? Sareitha Sedai - 13/01/2011 08:49:06 PM 1142 Views
Have you any way to back up this statement? Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:49:41 PM 1118 Views
The difference... Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:57:45 PM 1220 Views
How would you know he was the guy that stole the horse? *NM* Chas - 14/01/2011 11:32:15 PM 573 Views
re: Macharius - 13/01/2011 09:09:05 PM 1112 Views
I just get a sense that those principles are worshipped more than the cause they supposedly serve... Shannow - 13/01/2011 09:19:59 PM 1119 Views
The principles and the cause they serve are the same. Macharius - 14/01/2011 02:13:43 PM 1084 Views
Take a look at the part of the world who still use the villiage elder system random thoughts - 13/01/2011 09:36:18 PM 991 Views
That is one effed up world that I would not want to live in. *NM* Aeryn - 14/01/2011 01:42:34 AM 547 Views
random thoughts is right. Joel - 14/01/2011 02:42:38 AM 1385 Views
the belief that for the system to work everyone needs vigorous defense random thoughts - 13/01/2011 07:37:40 PM 1096 Views
You managed to cover all three of my answers; +1. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:29:21 AM 1149 Views
Yes, exactly. And in fewer words than I'd have used. *NM* newyorkersedai - 15/01/2011 02:10:03 PM 712 Views
Probably a bunch of reasons beetnemesis - 13/01/2011 07:39:58 PM 1108 Views
A belief in justice Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:24:25 PM 1228 Views
Personally, I don't see why being insane should excuse anything... Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:29:25 PM 1262 Views
It's a good thing you don't get to write the laws then Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:45:39 PM 1171 Views
Being insane doesn't excuse anything. Sareitha Sedai - 13/01/2011 08:45:40 PM 1275 Views
Fame and money Wulf`gar - 13/01/2011 09:15:38 PM 1038 Views
Many possible reasons. Tim - 13/01/2011 10:41:30 PM 1203 Views
Well said. *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 11:30:54 PM 609 Views
Oh, and I forgot one very important thing. Tim - 13/01/2011 11:33:33 PM 1001 Views
He should have been shot in the street like a dog. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:09:38 AM 1053 Views
Vengeance is not justice. *NM* Macharius - 14/01/2011 01:13:04 AM 539 Views
If the person is guilty, it's one in the same. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:17:54 AM 1013 Views
No, it's not: their definitions and concepts are entirely different. Macharius - 14/01/2011 02:27:13 PM 1133 Views
Can`t consume blood, actually. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 04:10:57 PM 1099 Views
well im so glad you find this situation to be so simple Aisha - 16/01/2011 03:45:52 AM 1074 Views
Now that was a better post. Now we can talk. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:54:11 AM 1214 Views
That would not be a deterrent to people who are mentally ill. *NM* everynametaken - 14/01/2011 01:25:56 AM 577 Views
By that logic nothing would. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:29:41 AM 1024 Views
And by that logic, we should kill people with HIV. Dannymac - 14/01/2011 06:20:03 AM 1114 Views
Not at all. We should kill people with HIV if they're spreading it knowingly. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:31:48 PM 1305 Views
then we should kill people who spread the flu as well random thoughts - 14/01/2011 04:53:51 PM 1145 Views
That's absurd. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:21:36 PM 1043 Views
it is absurd and that is my point random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:54:07 PM 1159 Views
That's not the issue. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 09:40:00 PM 1084 Views
why are the different? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 10:02:06 PM 1081 Views
HIV is incurable. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:09:47 AM 1004 Views
Unless, you know, someone is deliberately spreading flu to old people or people with Chas - 15/01/2011 12:32:42 PM 1073 Views
To my knowledge, no one has ever been convicted of that. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 03:32:49 PM 1052 Views
People have been convicted for knowingly spreading diseases Isaac - 15/01/2011 01:05:22 PM 1020 Views
you are correct that is why we need to fix our mental health system *NM* random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:22:22 PM 569 Views
Not everyone else is doing that. So who else are you trying to deter? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 05:25:28 PM 1195 Views
Everyone. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:23:41 PM 1308 Views
gang members get killed every day by other gang members so I would say it isn't working *NM* random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:31:29 PM 602 Views
If we were executing them publicly in the streets, maybe it would be. *NM* Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:33:30 PM 588 Views
why would you believe that? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:58:25 PM 1099 Views
It's never been tried. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 09:40:54 PM 1092 Views
So it's agreed, murderers should be given icecream. *NM* Stephen - 14/01/2011 09:43:36 PM 547 Views
did you actually read my reply where I explained that it has been tried? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 09:52:43 PM 1169 Views
Because it's not being done by the state. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:08:51 AM 1072 Views
Yes, let's bring back the justice of the lynch mob. *NM* Aeryn - 14/01/2011 01:44:00 AM 502 Views
It is justice if the person is guilty. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:32:44 PM 1012 Views
So how would you determine if the person is guilty and deserved death? Perhaps... with a lawyer? *NM* Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:05:13 AM 589 Views
No, a 5 minute trial wherein the judge watches the video of this guy killing everyone... Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:05:30 AM 1156 Views
What if he was a hired killer? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:19:12 PM 1019 Views
They're pretty certain he worked alone. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:00:42 PM 1068 Views
Also, did you see My Cousin Vinny? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:23:51 PM 1102 Views
In this case, I'll risk it. *NM* Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:02:10 PM 546 Views
non occides, indeed. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 02:37:29 AM 527 Views
Because he has absolutely no right to the laws dictated in the U.S. Constitution. Great Lord of Chaos - 14/01/2011 03:20:58 AM 1243 Views
The Constitution shouldn't protect these people. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:34:19 PM 1017 Views
14th amendment -- equal protection clause. thanks for playing! moondog - 14/01/2011 04:22:17 PM 1123 Views
I'm not an American. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:27:52 PM 1212 Views
And believe me, that shows in more than where you were born. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 11:28:28 PM 542 Views
If that's supposed to be an insult... Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:03:10 AM 1081 Views
How do you determine if someone gets Constitutional protection or not? ßelals Girl - 14/01/2011 08:10:45 PM 1091 Views
If someone is guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt... Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:26:36 PM 1067 Views
He has a reasonable defense. Great Lord of Chaos - 14/01/2011 11:21:47 PM 1227 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:04:38 AM 1208 Views
That's preposterous. Great Lord of Chaos - 15/01/2011 10:42:04 PM 1071 Views
He's not retarded, he's insane. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 12:28:45 AM 1054 Views
Both are maladies that affect the mind and reasoning processes. Great Lord of Chaos - 16/01/2011 02:05:53 AM 1101 Views
Then insane still have to pay for what they've done. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 02:53:47 AM 1055 Views
There's a little flaw in your connection. Great Lord of Chaos - 16/01/2011 03:14:36 AM 1052 Views
Again, I disagree. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:47:08 AM 1617 Views
Just because that's your opinion, doesn't mean that's applicable. Great Lord of Chaos - 17/01/2011 03:07:47 AM 1151 Views
Uh...I never argued that it should. Dragonsoul - 17/01/2011 03:33:43 AM 1350 Views
I wonder what the reaction would be if Michael Vick said that. Dannymac - 14/01/2011 06:18:00 AM 1118 Views
That's absurd. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:35:16 PM 933 Views
yes because threat of death works so well on the insane random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:21:42 PM 1107 Views
I`ve addressed this already. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 04:08:28 PM 1021 Views
no you admitted it wouldn't deter them random thoughts - 14/01/2011 05:03:24 PM 1105 Views
Re: no you admitted it wouldn't deter them j-whitt987 - 14/01/2011 06:55:22 PM 1264 Views
no random thoughts - 14/01/2011 07:15:11 PM 1105 Views
Re: no j-whitt987 - 14/01/2011 07:35:07 PM 1106 Views
We recently put a man to death in Texas who was very likely innocent random thoughts - 14/01/2011 09:24:04 PM 967 Views
Just as an aside... I suppose you have no problem with Muslims cutting off the hand of a thief? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 05:30:50 PM 1147 Views
I invite you to show me where I've criticized the Islamic legal system. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:36:22 PM 1130 Views
OK. everynametaken - 15/01/2011 04:40:56 PM 1128 Views
I really don't care what Muslims do to each other. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 05:28:52 PM 1047 Views
Actually castrating or chemically castrating? Rebekah - 15/01/2011 05:33:07 PM 1201 Views
I don't care either way really. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:03:01 PM 994 Views
i believe in the laws and ideals this country is based on Aisha - 16/01/2011 03:41:13 AM 1186 Views
And you felt the need to say that why? Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:44:40 AM 1080 Views
I find it hilarious that a clearly guilty man will be defended. Defended against what? Dark Knight - 14/01/2011 03:22:20 AM 1218 Views
I'll tell you a couple of other things that could happen. Tim - 14/01/2011 08:26:52 AM 1042 Views
There are still trials when someone pleads guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2011 06:47:56 PM 557 Views
The Thing is... vandevere - 14/01/2011 04:57:04 AM 1110 Views
What motivates someone to be the Arizona shooter? snoopcester - 14/01/2011 09:51:10 AM 1090 Views
I found something of interest... vandevere - 14/01/2011 06:16:40 PM 994 Views
Because the thought of people with a lynch mob mentality running the show scares them way more than Tashmere - 15/01/2011 03:56:44 AM 1066 Views
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