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A belief in justice Stephen Send a noteboard - 13/01/2011 08:24:25 PM
If you sincerely believe that Loughner shouldn't be defended, we should just abolish the courts and introduce mob rule.

Yes, the guy killed all those people, and that is abhorrent. But he should have the same rights as anyone accussed of a crime. Any system with multiple standards is corruptable, and wrong.

Also, regarding his in/sanity, there's more to it for getting someone declared insane than just have a psychiatrist she's paid come in and say "Yeah, Loughner's crazy alright", there'll be a court appointed psychiatrist also examining him, not just one guy. And honestly, the guy probably is insane, so i do not believe it would be a miscarriage of justice if he is declared insane. Furthermore, it's possible for him to be declared insane, while also being held responsible for his crimes. it's possible for him to be sent to a psychiatric institution for X years, and then be sent to jail.
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What motivates someone to pull out all the stops defending the Arizona shooter in court? Shannow - 13/01/2011 06:46:14 PM 1786 Views
Because even the guilty are entitled to a full and proper defence. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 06:58:51 PM 1199 Views
A belief in everyone's right to a defense? *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:02:24 PM 622 Views
Isn't it a little strange... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:08:49 PM 1306 Views
I don't know anything about the woman or the people she has defended before Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:10:56 PM 1180 Views
Timothy Mcveigh, Eric Rudolph, Theodore Kazynski, Zacharias Moussai, Susan Smith... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:16:07 PM 1356 Views
All of these strike me as people who might not get a fair hearing. Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:18:24 PM 1249 Views
Re: All of these strike me as people who might not get a fair hearing. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 07:23:15 PM 1119 Views
So once you sit down and have a heart to heart with your client an discover that he is simply evil.. Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:30:53 PM 1365 Views
My god, man, take an ethics class. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:37:16 PM 1168 Views
So by your ethics... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:40:36 PM 1370 Views
If he can't be defended he can't be tried and thus he can't be convicted. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 07:44:57 PM 1358 Views
I suspect he disparages "technicalities" as well. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:48:14 PM 573 Views
some techincalites deserve it random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:01:26 PM 1211 Views
True. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 08:54:25 PM 569 Views
How is justice served if the accused has no defense? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:47:01 PM 575 Views
Who said she sought out anyone? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 01:29:38 AM 1209 Views
Maybe he IS insane ßelals Girl - 13/01/2011 07:17:46 PM 1237 Views
So what if he is? Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:11:44 AM 1081 Views
No, it doesn't change what he did. Rebekah - 14/01/2011 06:22:06 PM 1183 Views
Plus ßelals Girl - 14/01/2011 08:05:36 PM 1276 Views
Capital punishment is more expensive than life in prison. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:34:29 PM 1301 Views
So in other words out of self interest I should admire her? Now THAT's evil... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:38:36 PM 1405 Views
Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:40:42 PM 1124 Views
Re: Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:49:56 PM 1283 Views
That's a critique of Lawyers, not a critique of Rule of Law. Dan - 13/01/2011 08:37:20 PM 1270 Views
Do you know what happened before there were defence lawyers for all accused? *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 10:37:55 PM 618 Views
Do you believe the severity of the crime should affect your defense? random thoughts - 13/01/2011 07:45:16 PM 1160 Views
No. Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:44:05 PM 1421 Views
How do you decide if it was "in cold blood" or not? Sareitha Sedai - 13/01/2011 08:49:06 PM 1226 Views
Have you any way to back up this statement? Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:49:41 PM 1201 Views
The difference... Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:57:45 PM 1317 Views
How would you know he was the guy that stole the horse? *NM* Chas - 14/01/2011 11:32:15 PM 611 Views
re: Macharius - 13/01/2011 09:09:05 PM 1193 Views
I just get a sense that those principles are worshipped more than the cause they supposedly serve... Shannow - 13/01/2011 09:19:59 PM 1210 Views
The principles and the cause they serve are the same. Macharius - 14/01/2011 02:13:43 PM 1163 Views
Take a look at the part of the world who still use the villiage elder system random thoughts - 13/01/2011 09:36:18 PM 1071 Views
That is one effed up world that I would not want to live in. *NM* Aeryn - 14/01/2011 01:42:34 AM 588 Views
random thoughts is right. Joel - 14/01/2011 02:42:38 AM 1481 Views
the belief that for the system to work everyone needs vigorous defense random thoughts - 13/01/2011 07:37:40 PM 1172 Views
You managed to cover all three of my answers; +1. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:29:21 AM 1245 Views
Yes, exactly. And in fewer words than I'd have used. *NM* newyorkersedai - 15/01/2011 02:10:03 PM 749 Views
Probably a bunch of reasons beetnemesis - 13/01/2011 07:39:58 PM 1185 Views
A belief in justice Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:24:25 PM 1312 Views
Personally, I don't see why being insane should excuse anything... Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:29:25 PM 1355 Views
It's a good thing you don't get to write the laws then Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:45:39 PM 1241 Views
Being insane doesn't excuse anything. Sareitha Sedai - 13/01/2011 08:45:40 PM 1348 Views
Fame and money Wulf`gar - 13/01/2011 09:15:38 PM 1116 Views
Many possible reasons. Tim - 13/01/2011 10:41:30 PM 1298 Views
Well said. *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 11:30:54 PM 653 Views
Oh, and I forgot one very important thing. Tim - 13/01/2011 11:33:33 PM 1079 Views
He should have been shot in the street like a dog. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:09:38 AM 1127 Views
Vengeance is not justice. *NM* Macharius - 14/01/2011 01:13:04 AM 574 Views
If the person is guilty, it's one in the same. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:17:54 AM 1101 Views
No, it's not: their definitions and concepts are entirely different. Macharius - 14/01/2011 02:27:13 PM 1213 Views
Can`t consume blood, actually. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 04:10:57 PM 1180 Views
well im so glad you find this situation to be so simple Aisha - 16/01/2011 03:45:52 AM 1151 Views
Now that was a better post. Now we can talk. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:54:11 AM 1290 Views
That would not be a deterrent to people who are mentally ill. *NM* everynametaken - 14/01/2011 01:25:56 AM 614 Views
By that logic nothing would. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:29:41 AM 1144 Views
And by that logic, we should kill people with HIV. Dannymac - 14/01/2011 06:20:03 AM 1201 Views
Not at all. We should kill people with HIV if they're spreading it knowingly. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:31:48 PM 1408 Views
then we should kill people who spread the flu as well random thoughts - 14/01/2011 04:53:51 PM 1220 Views
That's absurd. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:21:36 PM 1137 Views
it is absurd and that is my point random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:54:07 PM 1232 Views
That's not the issue. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 09:40:00 PM 1158 Views
why are the different? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 10:02:06 PM 1156 Views
HIV is incurable. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:09:47 AM 1080 Views
Unless, you know, someone is deliberately spreading flu to old people or people with Chas - 15/01/2011 12:32:42 PM 1146 Views
To my knowledge, no one has ever been convicted of that. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 03:32:49 PM 1135 Views
People have been convicted for knowingly spreading diseases Isaac - 15/01/2011 01:05:22 PM 1096 Views
you are correct that is why we need to fix our mental health system *NM* random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:22:22 PM 607 Views
Not everyone else is doing that. So who else are you trying to deter? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 05:25:28 PM 1274 Views
Everyone. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:23:41 PM 1383 Views
gang members get killed every day by other gang members so I would say it isn't working *NM* random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:31:29 PM 637 Views
If we were executing them publicly in the streets, maybe it would be. *NM* Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:33:30 PM 626 Views
why would you believe that? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:58:25 PM 1166 Views
It's never been tried. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 09:40:54 PM 1167 Views
So it's agreed, murderers should be given icecream. *NM* Stephen - 14/01/2011 09:43:36 PM 580 Views
did you actually read my reply where I explained that it has been tried? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 09:52:43 PM 1271 Views
Because it's not being done by the state. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:08:51 AM 1154 Views
Yes, let's bring back the justice of the lynch mob. *NM* Aeryn - 14/01/2011 01:44:00 AM 540 Views
It is justice if the person is guilty. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:32:44 PM 1102 Views
So how would you determine if the person is guilty and deserved death? Perhaps... with a lawyer? *NM* Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:05:13 AM 623 Views
No, a 5 minute trial wherein the judge watches the video of this guy killing everyone... Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:05:30 AM 1231 Views
What if he was a hired killer? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:19:12 PM 1101 Views
They're pretty certain he worked alone. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:00:42 PM 1147 Views
Also, did you see My Cousin Vinny? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:23:51 PM 1185 Views
In this case, I'll risk it. *NM* Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:02:10 PM 597 Views
non occides, indeed. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 02:37:29 AM 563 Views
Because he has absolutely no right to the laws dictated in the U.S. Constitution. Great Lord of Chaos - 14/01/2011 03:20:58 AM 1338 Views
The Constitution shouldn't protect these people. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:34:19 PM 1092 Views
14th amendment -- equal protection clause. thanks for playing! moondog - 14/01/2011 04:22:17 PM 1197 Views
I'm not an American. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:27:52 PM 1320 Views
And believe me, that shows in more than where you were born. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 11:28:28 PM 597 Views
If that's supposed to be an insult... Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:03:10 AM 1162 Views
How do you determine if someone gets Constitutional protection or not? ßelals Girl - 14/01/2011 08:10:45 PM 1161 Views
If someone is guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt... Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:26:36 PM 1146 Views
He has a reasonable defense. Great Lord of Chaos - 14/01/2011 11:21:47 PM 1321 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:04:38 AM 1278 Views
That's preposterous. Great Lord of Chaos - 15/01/2011 10:42:04 PM 1163 Views
He's not retarded, he's insane. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 12:28:45 AM 1170 Views
Both are maladies that affect the mind and reasoning processes. Great Lord of Chaos - 16/01/2011 02:05:53 AM 1174 Views
Then insane still have to pay for what they've done. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 02:53:47 AM 1143 Views
There's a little flaw in your connection. Great Lord of Chaos - 16/01/2011 03:14:36 AM 1134 Views
Again, I disagree. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:47:08 AM 1700 Views
Just because that's your opinion, doesn't mean that's applicable. Great Lord of Chaos - 17/01/2011 03:07:47 AM 1232 Views
Uh...I never argued that it should. Dragonsoul - 17/01/2011 03:33:43 AM 1430 Views
I wonder what the reaction would be if Michael Vick said that. Dannymac - 14/01/2011 06:18:00 AM 1205 Views
That's absurd. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:35:16 PM 1009 Views
yes because threat of death works so well on the insane random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:21:42 PM 1182 Views
I`ve addressed this already. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 04:08:28 PM 1118 Views
no you admitted it wouldn't deter them random thoughts - 14/01/2011 05:03:24 PM 1198 Views
Re: no you admitted it wouldn't deter them j-whitt987 - 14/01/2011 06:55:22 PM 1339 Views
no random thoughts - 14/01/2011 07:15:11 PM 1176 Views
Re: no j-whitt987 - 14/01/2011 07:35:07 PM 1189 Views
We recently put a man to death in Texas who was very likely innocent random thoughts - 14/01/2011 09:24:04 PM 1054 Views
Just as an aside... I suppose you have no problem with Muslims cutting off the hand of a thief? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 05:30:50 PM 1224 Views
I invite you to show me where I've criticized the Islamic legal system. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:36:22 PM 1207 Views
OK. everynametaken - 15/01/2011 04:40:56 PM 1209 Views
I really don't care what Muslims do to each other. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 05:28:52 PM 1129 Views
Actually castrating or chemically castrating? Rebekah - 15/01/2011 05:33:07 PM 1279 Views
I don't care either way really. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:03:01 PM 1067 Views
i believe in the laws and ideals this country is based on Aisha - 16/01/2011 03:41:13 AM 1264 Views
And you felt the need to say that why? Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:44:40 AM 1157 Views
I find it hilarious that a clearly guilty man will be defended. Defended against what? Dark Knight - 14/01/2011 03:22:20 AM 1294 Views
I'll tell you a couple of other things that could happen. Tim - 14/01/2011 08:26:52 AM 1113 Views
There are still trials when someone pleads guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2011 06:47:56 PM 611 Views
The Thing is... vandevere - 14/01/2011 04:57:04 AM 1238 Views
What motivates someone to be the Arizona shooter? snoopcester - 14/01/2011 09:51:10 AM 1161 Views
I found something of interest... vandevere - 14/01/2011 06:16:40 PM 1075 Views
Because the thought of people with a lynch mob mentality running the show scares them way more than Tashmere - 15/01/2011 03:56:44 AM 1139 Views
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