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No. Shannow Send a noteboard - 13/01/2011 08:44:05 PM
Because I would argue the more heinous and act we are charging someone with the more we need to ensure they have adequate defense. I am not comfortable with the idea that I can get a great law if I accused of tax fraud but I am going to get poor defense if I am accused of murder and I am being threatened with the death penalty.

I think it would be EVIL to deny someone legal defense solely by the heinousness of the crime they are being accused of.


But I am somehow more comfortable with a sleazy lawyer who defends mafia bosses simply for the money, than an attorney who hunts out these types of cases out of some twisted sense of principle.

I envisage a world where you defend those whose causes you share, and not out of some questionable sense of duty. If no lawyer believes you innocent, well, then you just have to defend yourself.

In other words, if your actions are so heinous that no one in your community wants to identify with you, well then you're sh*t out of luck. Maybe you shouldn't have shot down 6 people in cold blood then.

I wouldn't mourn a return to the village / town based society of a previous age where you were judged by a respected group of local elders. In the vast majority of cases, this brought about swift, accurate justice.

A week and this guy would have been swinging from a tree.
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What motivates someone to pull out all the stops defending the Arizona shooter in court? Shannow - 13/01/2011 06:46:14 PM 1798 Views
Because even the guilty are entitled to a full and proper defence. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 06:58:51 PM 1222 Views
A belief in everyone's right to a defense? *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:02:24 PM 631 Views
Isn't it a little strange... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:08:49 PM 1325 Views
I don't know anything about the woman or the people she has defended before Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:10:56 PM 1198 Views
Timothy Mcveigh, Eric Rudolph, Theodore Kazynski, Zacharias Moussai, Susan Smith... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:16:07 PM 1377 Views
All of these strike me as people who might not get a fair hearing. Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:18:24 PM 1266 Views
Re: All of these strike me as people who might not get a fair hearing. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 07:23:15 PM 1140 Views
So once you sit down and have a heart to heart with your client an discover that he is simply evil.. Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:30:53 PM 1397 Views
My god, man, take an ethics class. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:37:16 PM 1183 Views
So by your ethics... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:40:36 PM 1389 Views
If he can't be defended he can't be tried and thus he can't be convicted. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 07:44:57 PM 1377 Views
I suspect he disparages "technicalities" as well. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:48:14 PM 578 Views
some techincalites deserve it random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:01:26 PM 1234 Views
True. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 08:54:25 PM 575 Views
How is justice served if the accused has no defense? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:47:01 PM 581 Views
Who said she sought out anyone? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 01:29:38 AM 1235 Views
Maybe he IS insane ßelals Girl - 13/01/2011 07:17:46 PM 1253 Views
So what if he is? Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:11:44 AM 1099 Views
No, it doesn't change what he did. Rebekah - 14/01/2011 06:22:06 PM 1199 Views
Plus ßelals Girl - 14/01/2011 08:05:36 PM 1298 Views
Capital punishment is more expensive than life in prison. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:34:29 PM 1318 Views
So in other words out of self interest I should admire her? Now THAT's evil... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:38:36 PM 1423 Views
Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:40:42 PM 1145 Views
Re: Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:49:56 PM 1308 Views
That's a critique of Lawyers, not a critique of Rule of Law. Dan - 13/01/2011 08:37:20 PM 1290 Views
Do you know what happened before there were defence lawyers for all accused? *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 10:37:55 PM 628 Views
Do you believe the severity of the crime should affect your defense? random thoughts - 13/01/2011 07:45:16 PM 1180 Views
No. Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:44:05 PM 1445 Views
How do you decide if it was "in cold blood" or not? Sareitha Sedai - 13/01/2011 08:49:06 PM 1250 Views
Have you any way to back up this statement? Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:49:41 PM 1219 Views
The difference... Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:57:45 PM 1344 Views
How would you know he was the guy that stole the horse? *NM* Chas - 14/01/2011 11:32:15 PM 617 Views
re: Macharius - 13/01/2011 09:09:05 PM 1206 Views
I just get a sense that those principles are worshipped more than the cause they supposedly serve... Shannow - 13/01/2011 09:19:59 PM 1232 Views
The principles and the cause they serve are the same. Macharius - 14/01/2011 02:13:43 PM 1181 Views
Take a look at the part of the world who still use the villiage elder system random thoughts - 13/01/2011 09:36:18 PM 1089 Views
That is one effed up world that I would not want to live in. *NM* Aeryn - 14/01/2011 01:42:34 AM 595 Views
random thoughts is right. Joel - 14/01/2011 02:42:38 AM 1506 Views
the belief that for the system to work everyone needs vigorous defense random thoughts - 13/01/2011 07:37:40 PM 1188 Views
You managed to cover all three of my answers; +1. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:29:21 AM 1267 Views
Yes, exactly. And in fewer words than I'd have used. *NM* newyorkersedai - 15/01/2011 02:10:03 PM 757 Views
Probably a bunch of reasons beetnemesis - 13/01/2011 07:39:58 PM 1197 Views
A belief in justice Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:24:25 PM 1333 Views
Personally, I don't see why being insane should excuse anything... Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:29:25 PM 1377 Views
It's a good thing you don't get to write the laws then Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:45:39 PM 1262 Views
Being insane doesn't excuse anything. Sareitha Sedai - 13/01/2011 08:45:40 PM 1364 Views
Fame and money Wulf`gar - 13/01/2011 09:15:38 PM 1147 Views
Many possible reasons. Tim - 13/01/2011 10:41:30 PM 1327 Views
Well said. *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 11:30:54 PM 660 Views
Oh, and I forgot one very important thing. Tim - 13/01/2011 11:33:33 PM 1095 Views
He should have been shot in the street like a dog. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:09:38 AM 1145 Views
Vengeance is not justice. *NM* Macharius - 14/01/2011 01:13:04 AM 581 Views
If the person is guilty, it's one in the same. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:17:54 AM 1129 Views
No, it's not: their definitions and concepts are entirely different. Macharius - 14/01/2011 02:27:13 PM 1232 Views
Can`t consume blood, actually. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 04:10:57 PM 1210 Views
well im so glad you find this situation to be so simple Aisha - 16/01/2011 03:45:52 AM 1169 Views
Now that was a better post. Now we can talk. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:54:11 AM 1308 Views
That would not be a deterrent to people who are mentally ill. *NM* everynametaken - 14/01/2011 01:25:56 AM 621 Views
By that logic nothing would. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:29:41 AM 1160 Views
And by that logic, we should kill people with HIV. Dannymac - 14/01/2011 06:20:03 AM 1217 Views
Not at all. We should kill people with HIV if they're spreading it knowingly. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:31:48 PM 1420 Views
then we should kill people who spread the flu as well random thoughts - 14/01/2011 04:53:51 PM 1238 Views
That's absurd. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:21:36 PM 1155 Views
it is absurd and that is my point random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:54:07 PM 1248 Views
That's not the issue. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 09:40:00 PM 1177 Views
why are the different? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 10:02:06 PM 1176 Views
HIV is incurable. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:09:47 AM 1102 Views
Unless, you know, someone is deliberately spreading flu to old people or people with Chas - 15/01/2011 12:32:42 PM 1163 Views
To my knowledge, no one has ever been convicted of that. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 03:32:49 PM 1155 Views
People have been convicted for knowingly spreading diseases Isaac - 15/01/2011 01:05:22 PM 1118 Views
you are correct that is why we need to fix our mental health system *NM* random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:22:22 PM 614 Views
Not everyone else is doing that. So who else are you trying to deter? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 05:25:28 PM 1294 Views
Everyone. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:23:41 PM 1405 Views
gang members get killed every day by other gang members so I would say it isn't working *NM* random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:31:29 PM 644 Views
If we were executing them publicly in the streets, maybe it would be. *NM* Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:33:30 PM 635 Views
why would you believe that? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:58:25 PM 1183 Views
It's never been tried. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 09:40:54 PM 1192 Views
So it's agreed, murderers should be given icecream. *NM* Stephen - 14/01/2011 09:43:36 PM 589 Views
did you actually read my reply where I explained that it has been tried? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 09:52:43 PM 1290 Views
Because it's not being done by the state. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:08:51 AM 1177 Views
Yes, let's bring back the justice of the lynch mob. *NM* Aeryn - 14/01/2011 01:44:00 AM 545 Views
It is justice if the person is guilty. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:32:44 PM 1121 Views
So how would you determine if the person is guilty and deserved death? Perhaps... with a lawyer? *NM* Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:05:13 AM 631 Views
No, a 5 minute trial wherein the judge watches the video of this guy killing everyone... Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:05:30 AM 1244 Views
What if he was a hired killer? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:19:12 PM 1118 Views
They're pretty certain he worked alone. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:00:42 PM 1166 Views
Also, did you see My Cousin Vinny? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:23:51 PM 1203 Views
In this case, I'll risk it. *NM* Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:02:10 PM 606 Views
non occides, indeed. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 02:37:29 AM 573 Views
Because he has absolutely no right to the laws dictated in the U.S. Constitution. Great Lord of Chaos - 14/01/2011 03:20:58 AM 1358 Views
The Constitution shouldn't protect these people. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:34:19 PM 1112 Views
14th amendment -- equal protection clause. thanks for playing! moondog - 14/01/2011 04:22:17 PM 1224 Views
I'm not an American. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:27:52 PM 1336 Views
And believe me, that shows in more than where you were born. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 11:28:28 PM 604 Views
If that's supposed to be an insult... Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:03:10 AM 1178 Views
How do you determine if someone gets Constitutional protection or not? ßelals Girl - 14/01/2011 08:10:45 PM 1180 Views
If someone is guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt... Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:26:36 PM 1164 Views
He has a reasonable defense. Great Lord of Chaos - 14/01/2011 11:21:47 PM 1346 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:04:38 AM 1296 Views
That's preposterous. Great Lord of Chaos - 15/01/2011 10:42:04 PM 1186 Views
He's not retarded, he's insane. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 12:28:45 AM 1187 Views
Both are maladies that affect the mind and reasoning processes. Great Lord of Chaos - 16/01/2011 02:05:53 AM 1205 Views
Then insane still have to pay for what they've done. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 02:53:47 AM 1171 Views
There's a little flaw in your connection. Great Lord of Chaos - 16/01/2011 03:14:36 AM 1152 Views
Again, I disagree. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:47:08 AM 1728 Views
Just because that's your opinion, doesn't mean that's applicable. Great Lord of Chaos - 17/01/2011 03:07:47 AM 1251 Views
Uh...I never argued that it should. Dragonsoul - 17/01/2011 03:33:43 AM 1447 Views
I wonder what the reaction would be if Michael Vick said that. Dannymac - 14/01/2011 06:18:00 AM 1227 Views
That's absurd. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:35:16 PM 1035 Views
yes because threat of death works so well on the insane random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:21:42 PM 1198 Views
I`ve addressed this already. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 04:08:28 PM 1132 Views
no you admitted it wouldn't deter them random thoughts - 14/01/2011 05:03:24 PM 1220 Views
Re: no you admitted it wouldn't deter them j-whitt987 - 14/01/2011 06:55:22 PM 1365 Views
no random thoughts - 14/01/2011 07:15:11 PM 1196 Views
Re: no j-whitt987 - 14/01/2011 07:35:07 PM 1202 Views
We recently put a man to death in Texas who was very likely innocent random thoughts - 14/01/2011 09:24:04 PM 1080 Views
Just as an aside... I suppose you have no problem with Muslims cutting off the hand of a thief? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 05:30:50 PM 1244 Views
I invite you to show me where I've criticized the Islamic legal system. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:36:22 PM 1230 Views
OK. everynametaken - 15/01/2011 04:40:56 PM 1228 Views
I really don't care what Muslims do to each other. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 05:28:52 PM 1152 Views
Actually castrating or chemically castrating? Rebekah - 15/01/2011 05:33:07 PM 1296 Views
I don't care either way really. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:03:01 PM 1082 Views
i believe in the laws and ideals this country is based on Aisha - 16/01/2011 03:41:13 AM 1282 Views
And you felt the need to say that why? Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:44:40 AM 1173 Views
I find it hilarious that a clearly guilty man will be defended. Defended against what? Dark Knight - 14/01/2011 03:22:20 AM 1315 Views
I'll tell you a couple of other things that could happen. Tim - 14/01/2011 08:26:52 AM 1137 Views
There are still trials when someone pleads guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2011 06:47:56 PM 618 Views
The Thing is... vandevere - 14/01/2011 04:57:04 AM 1275 Views
What motivates someone to be the Arizona shooter? snoopcester - 14/01/2011 09:51:10 AM 1182 Views
I found something of interest... vandevere - 14/01/2011 06:16:40 PM 1093 Views
Because the thought of people with a lynch mob mentality running the show scares them way more than Tashmere - 15/01/2011 03:56:44 AM 1154 Views
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