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I didn't realize someone had, but it appears a militia leader was responsible (shocking, I know). Joel Send a noteboard - 17/01/2011 07:04:08 AM
I only yesterday took a direct look at what happened, because I feared to learn how much more disgusting it would get if I did. First 911 was made into a political football and now the murder of a child born that day and five others is being made one as well. Now, digging a little deeper, sure enough I'm still more disgusted and alarmed. While discussing her vandalized office she noted the danger rhetoric like Palins represented and her concerns were dismissed on the grounds that kind of language is used all the time; now she's been shot and that's still the response to cautions about provocative language. Someone says to throw bricks through the windows of everyone who voted for the healthcare bill and her office is vandalized, then she expresses concern about being in Palins crosshairs and now someone shoots her--but it's "blood libel" to even SUGGEST the past two years of militant hateful paranoia contributed to any of the things this woman has endured for the great crime of trying to serve her constituents. I remember those here and abroad who were SCARED of what people would do if Obama were elected and thinking, No, we're better than that, it's just politics; there's always nuts out there but this isn't going to stir up violence a start another Civil War. That was before a group of opportunistic demagogues began RECRUITING the crazy; now... I just don't know anymore....
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2229 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 1109 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1269 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1306 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1285 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1665 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1185 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1205 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1193 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 1091 Views
Oh please don't you start to - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 1030 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1229 Views
it was used here and nobody commented - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 1124 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 1155 Views
It's funny you should say that... - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1195 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1177 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1209 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1275 Views
I never said it was. - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1365 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 1036 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1205 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 1159 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1243 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1301 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1430 Views
That means precisely nothing - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 1128 Views
It means everything. - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1370 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 974 Views
There are two points: - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1193 Views
Re: It means everything. - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 1004 Views
That's simply illogical. - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1404 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1266 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1213 Views
So I am a little confused on something... - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1259 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1398 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 1125 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 1156 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1225 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 1025 Views
No, they don't - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1223 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1327 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 1159 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1223 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1300 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1277 Views
really because people post that kind of crap daily and nothing happens - 20/01/2011 05:57:52 PM 1103 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 1123 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 1141 Views
There is no point - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1190 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1427 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1452 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1197 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 1107 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 1124 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 1110 Views
That first line is says it all. - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1219 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1307 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1208 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1197 Views
YOU are cherry picking. - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 1142 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1424 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1251 Views
Yeah, your first was better - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 1108 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 1141 Views
Pretty much. - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1202 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 553 Views
I didn't realize someone had, but it appears a militia leader was responsible (shocking, I know). - 17/01/2011 07:04:08 AM 1155 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 522 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 1095 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 563 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1278 Views
Took you this long, huh? - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 1028 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 1067 Views
I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 1024 Views
Re: I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1186 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 1061 Views
like I said a matter of faith - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 1048 Views
I find it interesting... - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1189 Views
I mention her looks solely because... - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 1073 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1258 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 1105 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 1117 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 1064 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 1167 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 959 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 1061 Views
only in your does the connection exisit - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 1095 Views
No. - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1210 Views
dude wake up - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1300 Views
So in your opinion... - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 1052 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 1100 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1407 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1222 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1232 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 620 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 978 Views
You missed the point, obviously. - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 1084 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 1157 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 1005 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 586 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1240 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1269 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1326 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1259 Views

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