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It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. Joel Send a noteboard - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM
I even referenced that article earlier in this thread, forgot we'd had it up here, 400 views and 64 replies and not one outraged remarked about the title.

or clever, rather, the way you suggest that somehow there are large amounts of "outraged remarks" in this thread when Palin says it, as contrasted to when the other guy did it - when of course that isn't the case at all. Joel himself is the only person you could conceivably count as having made such remarks, and you'll note his post title suggests that his irritation was caused by having heard the term used repeatedly, rather than by Palin alone.


I'm calling this one for exactly what it is... extreme hypocrisy and manufactured outrage, I'm not naming anyone to that other than Joel, though I do not consider him the sole offender, just the most blatant and shameless. Your accusation that I implied something is not something I could meaningfully mount a defense against, so I won't bother. I consider it clear that the whole blood libel thing is Palin-driven, perhaps from Joel's perspective it is right-wing driven, this is all of course impossible... as the author of the article in question is a Libertarian Transhumanist, not generally associated with 'dumb hatemonger fringe right'

Like me, he replied in the other thread not with comments specific to the article posted there, but about the topic as a whole - and at that time, the use of the "blood libel" term hadn't become a big issue in the media yet.


That's rather the point. It was in the title of the post, IIRC in the text it was bolded, if it was offensive enough for anyone to use it at the time then it should have been offensive enough to garner at least one negative comment. If no one was offended, then it's really pushing it to say that someone was being tactless in using a term most people didn't know was offensive until they were told it was by the media.

Now, I've got no problem with people not shouting about the term, I don't think they should in the first place, I do know the term, I know how its used, and I have a connection through a lot of recent Jewish ancestors from those parts of Europe worst afflicted, and I was not offended and as I have said, did not think its use inappropriate. But it seems evident that much of the outrage now is specifically of the 'because she said it and I hate her' variety, or as I said, manufactured outrage. Besides Joel I see no one who has clearly shown themselves to be suffering from this so I'll not throw accusations out. I say anyone who was outraged by 'Blood Libel' and commented in that prior thread and didn't mention the term then is treading close to extreme hypocrisy or admitting to a horrible lack of attention to detail. I display a garment, if people want to say it's cut to their fit, they are welcome to do so.

Also, for at least a week I consciously avoided digging into the details lest I find reason to believe Loughner more than a nut. Unfortunately it won't go away. We can't mourn the dead and address the ease with which one can legally get a gun despite a long and documented history of mental instability and criminal violence (the public suggestion that we SHOULDN'T do this is what prompted me to look deeper); instead we must focus on a former governors insistence that a comfy shoe doesn't fit. Rather than say, "Its absurd to suggest any connection" that suggestion is publicly called a malicious act. One op ed can be ignored; when a large political faction parrots it right down to the diction it must be addressed. If protesting libel charges means the shoe fits, protesting incitement charges does the same--which means it's not libel at all.
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2105 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 957 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1133 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1179 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1124 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1489 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1034 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1062 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1051 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 958 Views
Oh please don't you start to - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 908 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1093 Views
it was used here and nobody commented - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 972 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 1017 Views
It's funny you should say that... - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1060 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1038 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1084 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1123 Views
I never said it was. - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1220 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 900 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1044 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 1020 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1103 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1141 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1286 Views
That means precisely nothing - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 976 Views
It means everything. - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1233 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 838 Views
There are two points: - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1048 Views
Re: It means everything. - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 872 Views
That's simply illogical. - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1255 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1132 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1075 Views
So I am a little confused on something... - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1123 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1257 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 997 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 1015 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1073 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 888 Views
No, they don't - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1088 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1162 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 1022 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1056 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1113 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1138 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 982 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 1002 Views
There is no point - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1032 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1280 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1295 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1041 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 967 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 986 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 982 Views
That first line is says it all. - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1065 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1168 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1057 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1059 Views
YOU are cherry picking. - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 997 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1277 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1106 Views
Yeah, your first was better - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 923 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 1001 Views
Pretty much. - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1065 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 488 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 457 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 953 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 496 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1143 Views
Took you this long, huh? - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 898 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 928 Views
I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 890 Views
Re: I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1041 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 913 Views
like I said a matter of faith - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 906 Views
I find it interesting... - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1057 Views
I mention her looks solely because... - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 941 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1113 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 930 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 984 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 915 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 1032 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 824 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 916 Views
only in your does the connection exisit - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 965 Views
No. - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1037 Views
dude wake up - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1169 Views
So in your opinion... - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 912 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 957 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1247 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1082 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1092 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 540 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 834 Views
You missed the point, obviously. - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 944 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 1019 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 863 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 523 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1098 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1127 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1172 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1109 Views

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