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Then why are you even here? I pretty much agree with you entirely and I'm fairly liberal. *NM* Elaine Send a noteboard - 18/01/2011 01:16:33 PM
The fact of the matter is, there is absolutely NO connection between Jared Lee Loughner and the Tea Party, the Right in general or Sarah Palin in particular.

The Fort Hood gunman actually shouted Allah Akbar (or whatever they call it) while carrying out his shooting rampage, but for some reason any reaction against Muslims (which would have been well founded in that case) was immediately rejected by the mainstream media. No. The guy was a loner, with no association to Jihadist ideology, despite his obvious actions to the contrary.

And yet, here in the Tuscon shooting, we have a lone gunman lunatic who has NEVER professed to support the Right, and yet even before the facts are out, the mainstream media start blaming it on Palin, the Tea Party and all those "gun toting, Bible clutching" conservatives.

Come on.

The mainstream media is completely biased towards the Left. Sure, Fox is biased towards the Right, but that doesn't even come close to balancing out the overwhelming liberal favoritism of the other news networks.
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. Joel - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2211 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? Camilla - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 1092 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. Joel - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1255 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... Legolas - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1293 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". Joel - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1271 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already Isaac - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1644 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. Legolas - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1167 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either Isaac - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1190 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. Legolas - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1176 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. Isaac - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 1077 Views
Oh please don't you start to random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 1016 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. Legolas - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1212 Views
it was used here and nobody commented random thoughts - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 1108 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here Isaac - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 1138 Views
It's funny you should say that... Legolas - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1179 Views
Precisely: I noticed, but it hadn't become a rallying cry for "the real victim" (Palin). Joel - 19/01/2011 12:14:48 AM 1321 Views
I thought you were the real vicitim random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:49:06 PM 1279 Views
When and where did I say that? The ultimate victim is America, but six members of it just died. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:24:27 PM 995 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... Isaac - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1162 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. Joel - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1197 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal Isaac - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1263 Views
I never said it was. Joel - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1349 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. Legolas - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 1021 Views
but is he accussed of being a tasteless moron who doesn't know what it means? random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:28:03 PM 1068 Views
I don't know, if I have to judge him based on that one article, then tasteless moron, absolutely. Legolas - 19/01/2011 06:14:43 PM 1181 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1184 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. Legolas - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 1140 Views
The peole who called her stupid for using the term didn't know it was so wide spread either random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:33:19 PM 1049 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. Joel - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1227 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. Isaac - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1285 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. Joel - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1415 Views
That means precisely nothing Isaac - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 1111 Views
It means everything. Joel - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1357 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic Chas - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 958 Views
There are two points: Joel - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1180 Views
I don't agree, but I understand. *NM* Chas - 19/01/2011 10:14:13 PM 547 Views
Giffords' statements and Palins are matters of public record; they're indisputable. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:34:53 PM 1160 Views
I must say, if more people on both sides could say that we'd all be better for it. Joel - 20/01/2011 04:32:55 AM 1184 Views
Re: It means everything. Isaac - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 993 Views
That's simply illogical. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1386 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1253 Views
Your inability/unwillingness to follow basic and clearly delineated logic is not my failing. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:19:31 AM 1116 Views
I admit I can't follow gnome logic *NM* random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:50:22 AM 542 Views
I demonstrated the connection, whether or not you choose to look the other way. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:16:28 PM 1139 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1201 Views
Giffords said Palins crosshairs imagery would have "consequences"; Palin calls the suggestion libel. Joel - 18/01/2011 08:54:45 PM 1078 Views
yes but the only consequences is liberals using them to slander Palin random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:58:35 PM 1181 Views
I read Toms reply; I don't think he exactly vindicated your position, nor meant to do so. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:52:37 AM 1494 Views
It was an example of blaming the victim, a phrase you keep misusing random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:28:21 PM 1130 Views
I thought you said only liberals blinded by political bias committed that grave sin. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:47:09 PM 1172 Views
so in other words you again missed the point random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:26:49 PM 1112 Views
Well, one of us did. Joel - 20/01/2011 09:24:35 PM 1239 Views
so lets be clear do you or don't you understand what it means to "blame the vicitm"? random thoughts - 20/01/2011 10:03:48 PM 870 Views
I understand it well; can we be equally clear you say the victim here is Palin? Joel - 20/01/2011 10:44:08 PM 1308 Views
So I am a little confused on something... MightyYT - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1244 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this Joel - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1379 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... MightyYT - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 1113 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. Joel - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 1140 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. Isaac - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1209 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. Joel - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 1008 Views
No, they don't Isaac - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1205 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. Joel - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1310 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said Isaac - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 1143 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) Joel - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1206 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity Isaac - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1285 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? Joel - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1261 Views
really because people post that kind of crap daily and nothing happens random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:57:52 PM 1087 Views
I thought waterboarding was OK and any suggestion to the contrary was terrorist sympathizing. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:54:05 PM 1019 Views
way to dodge the point again random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:34:33 PM 1065 Views
Do you have an example of a credible threat of injury to a Congressman, or calls for one? Joel - 20/01/2011 10:02:53 PM 1131 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* Isaac - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 1107 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. Joel - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 1124 Views
There is no point Isaac - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1170 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. Joel - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1415 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1438 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? Dannymac - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1180 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 1089 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. Joel - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 1107 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 1095 Views
That first line is says it all. Joel - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1191 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist random thoughts - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1292 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". Joel - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1190 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1179 Views
YOU are cherry picking. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 1128 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... Shannow - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1410 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. Dannymac - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1229 Views
Yeah, your first was better Isaac - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 1067 Views
Again, I don't think Palin intended this, but Giffords feared ten months ago that this could result. Joel - 16/01/2011 11:29:19 PM 1196 Views
And I call bullshit Cannoli - 18/01/2011 03:12:13 PM 1326 Views
If Palin wants to accuse Giffords of libel she should have the guts to do it to her face. Joel - 18/01/2011 10:39:07 PM 1282 Views
So if some jihadist shot Gifford, would you also blame Palin? Shannow - 19/01/2011 02:52:42 PM 1174 Views
don't get ti doesn't matter who is to blame it just matters if they can use it *NM* random thoughts - 19/01/2011 04:11:09 PM 566 Views
No, I'd blame the shooter first and the mullahs shouting, "JIHAD111" second, as I always do. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:11:33 AM 1264 Views
Then why are you even here? I pretty much agree with you entirely and I'm fairly liberal. *NM* Elaine - 18/01/2011 01:16:33 PM 634 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. Tom - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 1124 Views
Pretty much. Joel - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1186 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* Tashmere - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 544 Views
I didn't realize someone had, but it appears a militia leader was responsible (shocking, I know). Joel - 17/01/2011 07:04:08 AM 1136 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 513 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 1079 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 556 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". Joel - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1263 Views
Took you this long, huh? Macharius - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 1011 Views
I didn't want to look because I was afraid the charges against the far right demagogues might stick. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:07:26 PM 1356 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 1047 Views
I'm just curious. callandor1000 - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 1009 Views
Re: I'm just curious. Camilla - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1170 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 1049 Views
like I said a matter of faith random thoughts - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 1032 Views
I find it interesting... Jeordam - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1175 Views
I mention her looks solely because... callandor1000 - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 1059 Views
Had that convo with the cab driver on the way home from a New Years party. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:42:07 PM 1312 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). Joel - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1237 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity random thoughts - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 1087 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? Joel - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 1104 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 1050 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 1149 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't random thoughts - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 944 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. Joel - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 1044 Views
only in your does the connection exisit random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 1081 Views
No. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1174 Views
dude wake up random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1287 Views
Fine, I have no problem dropping the "right" label in my condemnations. Joel - 20/01/2011 10:39:34 PM 1299 Views
So in your opinion... Jeordam - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 1040 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? Joel - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 1085 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? Cannoli - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1388 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. Joel - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1210 Views
The left are the ones storing up hate with their pathetic slaner random thoughts - 18/01/2011 07:53:23 PM 1164 Views
At least 95% of the blame is Loughners; he's a nut, but that doesn't exonerate the demagogues. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:24:11 PM 1238 Views
0% belongs to political rhetoric from the right random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:47:56 PM 1028 Views
Uh huh; it's absurd to mention right wing rhetoric when left wing rhetoric is the OBVIOUS culprit Joel - 19/01/2011 02:59:41 PM 1065 Views
No leftist rhetoric? You just called a bunch of people 'dangeorus lunatics' Isaac - 19/01/2011 03:37:54 PM 1018 Views
Rhetoric is one thing, but I didn't use violent imagery, did I? Joel - 20/01/2011 01:40:14 AM 1351 Views
no but the democratic party used very similar images in the same state random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:41:19 PM 1089 Views
It's news to me, but I condemn all violent inflammatory imagery and rhetoric. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:13:18 PM 1053 Views
it was the national democrats random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:32:01 PM 1177 Views
Then that's equally dangerous and reprehensible and more reason to loathe the DLC and DCCC. Joel - 20/01/2011 09:49:08 PM 1425 Views
The right is not the ones claiming rhetoric is the issue random thoughts - 19/01/2011 03:58:39 PM 1070 Views
"WE aren't doing it, except for when we are". Admission of guilt is a poor defense. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:25:16 AM 1039 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. Jacob - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1215 Views
Exactly. *NM* Avendesora - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 610 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox Isaac - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 962 Views
You missed the point, obviously. Jacob - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 1070 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 1142 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated Isaac - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 987 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* Jacob - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 576 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1222 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. Camilla - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1252 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1310 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. dart_board - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1244 Views
We can debate whether it's coincidental, but the connections are documented fact Joel - 22/01/2011 08:17:24 PM 1226 Views
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