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Imo, it's not about "gratitude." nossy Send a noteboard - 21/03/2011 04:05:41 PM
If it could have been a large coalition of Muslims states then it might make sense but with most of them are under threat of similar uprising so that isn't likely. To be honest though I assume no matter how it ends it will become another reason for people to hate America. I think history shows that expecting gratitude is naive. Look at how much gratitude we get from Europe for stopping the USSR from overrunning them and helping build back their nations after the last time they blew up the world. The deck of public opinion has been stacked for some time now so the only sane course is to say screw public opinion and just do what needs to be done.

You make some good points, but I'm not talking about expecting people to be grateful. I (and I believe Rebekah as well) think there is something to be said for trying to avoid potentially causing more problems by being the main strong arm. Our "enemies" love to use that to whip up more opposition among the people. However, I agree with Druid below - there is only so long we could wait before it's a Disaster. I know you don't love NPR, but they mentioned that this morning (Somalia/Rwanda), and it's an eye-opening comparison.
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So within 24 hours of the 1st UN mandated action in Libya... Wibble - 20/03/2011 04:38:25 PM 1708 Views
Quite. Rebekah - 20/03/2011 04:41:39 PM 894 Views
The Arab league guy has gone out saying he was misquoted. Camilla - 20/03/2011 05:26:21 PM 959 Views
... completely surprising absolutely no one. *NM* Macharius - 20/03/2011 05:28:20 PM 382 Views
China and Russian abstained instead of voting No, which is odd. Rebekah - 20/03/2011 05:32:02 PM 902 Views
Workplace politics writ large. With more blood. Gads. My hermit instinct is rearing it's head. *NM* Tashmere - 20/03/2011 08:35:35 PM 402 Views
I think we should just ignore anything Russia and China says about human rights.. random thoughts - 20/03/2011 10:15:59 PM 860 Views
Re: I think we should just ignore anything Russia and China says about human rights.. ironclad - 20/03/2011 11:12:11 PM 974 Views
exactly random thoughts - 21/03/2011 12:13:28 AM 874 Views
Misquoted to the extent of ordering an emergency meeting of the Arab League uh? Wibble - 20/03/2011 05:41:45 PM 914 Views
Re: So within 24 hours of the 1st UN mandated action in Libya... Macharius - 20/03/2011 05:31:48 PM 1044 Views
Apparently Qatar is about to join the fray... it is rather crucial that the Arab world backs this. Legolas - 20/03/2011 05:50:14 PM 948 Views
And snoopcester - 20/03/2011 05:52:59 PM 910 Views
There is a lot of politics going on in the Arab League, from what I've read snoopcester - 20/03/2011 05:52:31 PM 1139 Views
That is a big miscalculation. Rebekah - 20/03/2011 06:10:34 PM 1014 Views
Not really Wibble - 20/03/2011 06:23:52 PM 1024 Views
Agreed. Waiting wasn't an option. *NM* Legolas - 20/03/2011 06:46:39 PM 352 Views
I dunno. Rebekah - 20/03/2011 06:59:18 PM 1044 Views
But the people who are going to think that way are going to do it no matter what random thoughts - 20/03/2011 10:13:36 PM 896 Views
The impression I got Ryan - 21/03/2011 04:14:57 PM 1098 Views
to much diplomacy and not enough action random thoughts - 21/03/2011 04:56:45 PM 927 Views
It is us vs. them. Tom - 20/03/2011 10:30:50 PM 1076 Views
Seriously. I can't believe Snoop and Rebekah's comments. It's like we had weeks to act. Tom - 20/03/2011 10:27:40 PM 1019 Views
We have had weeks to act snoopcester - 20/03/2011 11:15:15 PM 1008 Views
The French hit those vehicles in that military convoy 10 miles from Benghazi center. Tom - 21/03/2011 03:01:06 AM 981 Views
Because when you get involved in what is, unfortunately, an internal matter, Rebekah - 20/03/2011 11:18:16 PM 894 Views
Qatar is not part of Libya so it would still be outsiders interfering in an internal matter random thoughts - 21/03/2011 12:25:30 AM 938 Views
I have to ask: nossy - 21/03/2011 03:13:31 AM 1090 Views
I don't think the people in Libya give at rat's ass about what the king of Qatar wants random thoughts - 21/03/2011 05:12:26 AM 1043 Views
Imo, it's not about "gratitude." nossy - 21/03/2011 04:05:41 PM 941 Views
I actaully like NPR and listen to them on a regular basis random thoughts - 21/03/2011 04:44:42 PM 985 Views
Well, that has all shit to do with Qatari participation. Tom - 21/03/2011 03:02:19 AM 901 Views
Not so. Rebekah - 21/03/2011 08:54:31 AM 1037 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 21/03/2011 01:37:32 PM 1137 Views
Well. Rebekah - 21/03/2011 06:58:19 PM 931 Views
That's odd. I'm not seeing any of this criticism. Tom - 21/03/2011 10:55:27 PM 925 Views
There's been plenty on Twitter. Rebekah - 22/03/2011 08:29:48 AM 1093 Views
So let me get this straight: Tom - 22/03/2011 06:48:53 PM 1011 Views
It's not about "legitimacy" so much as it is about, to use the ugly word, propaganda. Legolas - 21/03/2011 10:33:12 PM 853 Views
The only support I've seen Qaddhafi get is from the rogues gallery of world pariahs. Tom - 21/03/2011 11:01:54 PM 973 Views
Indeed. And they should make sure it stays that way. Legolas - 21/03/2011 11:05:42 PM 986 Views
The PR has very little to do with Qatar joining or not. Tom - 22/03/2011 01:34:33 AM 1016 Views
Is the Qatar involvement as important as the Kuwaiti involvement in the Iraq War? random thoughts - 22/03/2011 06:57:27 PM 1364 Views
Kuwait was involved in the Iraq War? *NM* Legolas - 22/03/2011 08:35:21 PM 356 Views
They were part of the famous Coalition of the Willing *NM* random thoughts - 22/03/2011 08:47:55 PM 367 Views
We got our authorization. Tom - 20/03/2011 10:25:10 PM 1086 Views
I don't see a situation where this does not turn into a land war. Stephen - 20/03/2011 10:51:41 PM 965 Views
it is already is a land war if you ask the people on the ground doing the fighting for weeks random thoughts - 21/03/2011 12:34:10 AM 987 Views
Yeah, that's what I meant. Stephen - 21/03/2011 12:48:57 AM 897 Views
I doubt it would take US ground troops. Tom - 21/03/2011 03:16:24 AM 908 Views
Fuck that Aisha - 21/03/2011 12:47:54 AM 965 Views
you are always have been a fence sitter random thoughts - 21/03/2011 01:09:59 AM 894 Views
Fuck Gadhafi. Dragonsoul - 21/03/2011 05:21:29 AM 831 Views
how full of yourself are you? Aisha - 21/03/2011 12:37:47 PM 1024 Views
They're not my people. Dragonsoul - 21/03/2011 02:22:46 PM 954 Views
Wha? nossy - 21/03/2011 03:55:51 PM 1004 Views
Nope. Dragonsoul - 21/03/2011 04:21:21 PM 997 Views
Ok. nossy - 21/03/2011 04:30:44 PM 945 Views
I challenge you to point out where I'd advocated killing anyone but him and the military... Dragonsoul - 21/03/2011 04:45:05 PM 858 Views
The part where I said I misread should sufficiently cover that. nossy - 21/03/2011 04:49:18 PM 976 Views
Do something, get whined at. Do nothing and you get Rwanda. Druid - 21/03/2011 11:19:38 AM 1091 Views
I completely agree. *NM* Tom - 21/03/2011 11:04:34 PM 299 Views
I would reply... Wibble - 21/03/2011 11:22:14 PM 817 Views
It is only natural that the girl preferred me to you, but....... Druid - 21/03/2011 11:36:33 PM 982 Views
snoopcester - 21/03/2011 11:38:49 PM 786 Views
Don't me!! Druid - 21/03/2011 11:50:07 PM 897 Views
And you old enough to be her father, you should be ashamed... Wibble - 22/03/2011 12:17:55 AM 730 Views
She said she prefers experience to enthusiasm....... Druid - 22/03/2011 12:24:05 AM 838 Views
Funny. She told me it was all down to the size of your.....wallet. *NM* Wibble - 22/03/2011 12:33:33 AM 351 Views
You know what they say....big wallet....big everything *NM* Druid - 22/03/2011 12:38:56 AM 394 Views
"You old enough to be her father" is usually followed with "I'm impressed and envious" Tom - 22/03/2011 06:50:27 PM 878 Views
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