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I can easily believe that. Tom Send a noteboard - 13/04/2011 06:14:51 AM
The problems that I have begin when I am asked to believe every word of a collection of books written by various people at various times. To err is human, even if one is divinely inspired to write. Not only that, but essentially the Roman Empire determined what books would be included in canon and what books wouldn't. Sure, Athanasius of Alexandria came up with the list originally, but it was given an imprimatur by the Empire.

I won't go as far as Nietzsche and say that there was only one Christian, and he died on a cross, but I do think that the concept of vicarious salvation is a very incomplete doctrine and a distortion of the original Christianity.

Ultimately, then, I am drawn to religious writings as signposts and attempts to work out the grand mystery of Being, and I do my best not to denigrate anything that was written by someone who genuinely felt they were in communion with the divine (this of course to my mind excepts the Book of Mormon, which was a conscious fraud). However, to actually just accept the writings at face value...well, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale, and PT Barnum seems to think I can sell it.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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This. *NM* - 13/04/2011 04:15:11 PM 671 Views
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You get one guess. - 13/04/2011 07:09:01 PM 1429 Views
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*is disappointed* *NM* - 12/04/2011 08:01:05 PM 608 Views
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OMG! - 14/04/2011 06:19:50 PM 1212 Views
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I think we are similar in some respects philosophically. - 13/04/2011 05:59:38 AM 1186 Views
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99% that there is no God... - 12/04/2011 08:08:42 PM 1268 Views
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Whoah there, - 12/04/2011 08:26:43 PM 1180 Views
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Never mind. - 12/04/2011 11:34:46 PM 1162 Views
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I can easily believe that. - 13/04/2011 06:14:51 AM 1140 Views
Minivans can fit lots of useful stuffs, like furniture. *NM* - 13/04/2011 03:47:04 PM 683 Views
So can gas-guzzling SUVs, and full trucks. *NM* - 13/04/2011 05:13:20 PM 639 Views
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Pythagoras was a total nut. - 12/04/2011 10:05:42 PM 1275 Views
True - 12/04/2011 10:13:43 PM 1168 Views
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*is both bored and annoyed* - 12/04/2011 11:03:10 PM 1189 Views
right. - 12/04/2011 11:18:31 PM 1384 Views
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Did you read my original post? - 13/04/2011 03:13:34 AM 1108 Views
I did, yes. - 13/04/2011 03:32:18 AM 1134 Views
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so did this guy took a railroad spike through the head - 13/04/2011 01:58:52 PM 1322 Views
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Can one have an identity without memory? *NM* - 13/04/2011 03:46:16 PM 658 Views
Sure. - 23/04/2011 08:53:51 PM 1010 Views
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Sorry :-) - 14/04/2011 10:15:30 AM 1249 Views
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Heh. Loose faith. - 14/04/2011 02:32:27 AM 1155 Views
It kinda still works though....doesn't it? - 14/04/2011 04:14:19 PM 1177 Views
it does work. well in fact! *NM* - 24/04/2011 03:24:25 AM 667 Views
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