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Yes it does ßelals Girl Send a noteboard - 06/07/2011 07:32:54 PM
No one has to ride with someone who won't buckle up. They choose to take the risk as much as the person who refuses to buckle up themselves.

(I am, of course, refering to adults here, not children or anyone else who is at the adults' mercy)

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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM 1093 Views
Kinda undermines his protest *NM* snoopcester - 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM 328 Views
Just a tad bit *NM* Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 09:06:24 PM 312 Views
How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM 732 Views
New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety snoopcester - 05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM 685 Views
He felt his own safety was his own concern. Joel - 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM 623 Views
Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM 784 Views
The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM 901 Views
Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out Tashmere - 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM 697 Views
Yeah, that is a better example. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:03:01 AM 660 Views
Oops, ignore! *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:44:10 PM 392 Views
Now, who said irony wasn't funny? *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 05/07/2011 09:22:58 PM 449 Views
what a fricking idiot Yunalesca - 05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM 860 Views
That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM 1119 Views
Anarchy, baby! *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM 554 Views
Sorry, as an advocate of civil rights (which especially includes minorities) I oppose anarchy. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:18:19 AM 781 Views
The public's nose is on the line here too. Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:47:08 AM 850 Views
So my increased ease of hearing/seeing vehicles and other hazards isn't worth $1200. Joel - 06/07/2011 02:25:53 AM 852 Views
I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance. Avendesora - 06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM 1019 Views
In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity Joel - 06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM 813 Views
you keep spreading falsehoods, stop it please moondog - 06/07/2011 02:49:01 AM 962 Views
Sounds like your real argument is with the other bikers; I'm just reiterating their arguments. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:38:39 AM 900 Views
It's not "much like" childish defiance. It IS. *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:45:05 PM 505 Views
Uh Joel... ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM 732 Views
Agreed, having others in the car does make a difference. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:47:53 AM 799 Views
Hence why your "I wouldn't wear a seatbelt in the back seat" comment didn't make a lot of sense ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM 772 Views
Depends on whether the driver, rather than the law, is the one insisting. Joel - 06/07/2011 08:06:24 PM 642 Views
You'd place your own comfort over other people's safety? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 11:37:00 PM 666 Views
It's more a comfort issue than anything else; it's not solely one. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:56:28 PM 1158 Views
Sorry, but that doesn't make sense ironclad - 06/07/2011 07:02:33 PM 925 Views
Yes it does ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:32:54 PM 681 Views
how many people are really seriously injured that way? random thoughts - 06/07/2011 07:15:16 PM 907 Views
Did you actually read my post? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:36:13 PM 805 Views
my ex had 3 cracked ribs from an accident like that moondog - 07/07/2011 02:46:07 AM 827 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 05:18:12 PM 881 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 06/07/2011 06:13:44 PM 964 Views
Hold the phone here... Jeordam - 06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM 1118 Views
+1 *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM 391 Views
You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life? Joel - 06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM 811 Views
im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM 382 Views
It's really not. Joel - 07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM 820 Views
i'm really not Yunalesca - 07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM 919 Views
Fine as far as it goes, but public/private only matters to the extent others are affected. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:15:33 AM 867 Views
What else could the debate be about? Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:58:51 PM 746 Views
"The babys life", not just "life". Joel - 07/07/2011 12:18:02 AM 1076 Views
Holding the phone here might be good, yes.... Joel - 06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM 889 Views
See...that's the difference between you and me Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM 980 Views
Apparently so; "completely anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body" sounds nonsensical to me. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:44:50 PM 966 Views
I think I could make that up. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 05/07/2011 11:41:00 PM 347 Views
Smartass *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:57:22 AM 336 Views
I'm with Joel. I always buckle up/helmet up, but I think such laws are asinine beetnemesis - 06/07/2011 02:30:04 AM 641 Views
why not just ban motorcycles all together, they are much more dangerous than cars random thoughts - 06/07/2011 05:39:51 PM 674 Views
Helmets help save lives. 'Onest. Two Wongs - 07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM 847 Views
So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM 825 Views
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