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So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory. Joel Send a noteboard - 09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM
Not wearing one merely to assert your authority over your own person is peurile. Arguing the same point just for the hell of it is possibly much the same thing.

I've seen a man on a BSA get mown down by a Kenworth B-Double. His head popped like a watermelon and I thank him during every flashback for thumbing his nose at the establishment and eschewing a mandatory helmet. What a man! CIVIL RIGHTS FTW! I'm sure the three children waiting at the same intersection as myself have forgotten as well I have what the smell of civil freedom is like.
Of course, a helmet wouldn't have saved him but it would have kept his eyeballs from being spread across the road like peanut butter. The only reason he wasn't wearing a helmet? The same reason he apparently never wore a seat belt and sped through city streets at twice the posted limit. Because that's what tough, free people do.

Way to go to be a role model.

Children standing nearby witness grisly vehicular accidents all the time; should we ban vehicles because their trauma is unacceptable? Ever hit an animal you couldn't avoid while driving? Should we get rid of cars because someone might have seen it and be unable to get the image out of their head?

Going twice the speed limit was an imminent risk to the safety of others. So is driving drunk, a similar apple that's been compared to this threads orange, but comparing legitimate public safety laws to personal safety laws isn't valid or fair. I doubt seriously either the man you mentioned or the one in the orginal post sought to be anyones role model, and that's not a crime, or shouldn't be.
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM 810 Views
Kinda undermines his protest *NM* snoopcester - 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM 233 Views
Just a tad bit *NM* Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 09:06:24 PM 212 Views
How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM 501 Views
New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety snoopcester - 05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM 467 Views
He felt his own safety was his own concern. Joel - 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM 400 Views
Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM 556 Views
The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM 669 Views
Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out Tashmere - 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM 451 Views
Yeah, that is a better example. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:03:01 AM 446 Views
Oops, ignore! *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:44:10 PM 282 Views
Now, who said irony wasn't funny? *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 05/07/2011 09:22:58 PM 339 Views
what a fricking idiot Yunalesca - 05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM 638 Views
That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM 873 Views
Anarchy, baby! *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM 439 Views
Sorry, as an advocate of civil rights (which especially includes minorities) I oppose anarchy. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:18:19 AM 536 Views
The public's nose is on the line here too. Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:47:08 AM 593 Views
So my increased ease of hearing/seeing vehicles and other hazards isn't worth $1200. Joel - 06/07/2011 02:25:53 AM 601 Views
I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance. Avendesora - 06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM 690 Views
In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity Joel - 06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM 567 Views
you keep spreading falsehoods, stop it please moondog - 06/07/2011 02:49:01 AM 735 Views
Sounds like your real argument is with the other bikers; I'm just reiterating their arguments. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:38:39 AM 658 Views
It's not "much like" childish defiance. It IS. *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:45:05 PM 387 Views
Uh Joel... ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM 492 Views
Agreed, having others in the car does make a difference. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:47:53 AM 572 Views
Hence why your "I wouldn't wear a seatbelt in the back seat" comment didn't make a lot of sense ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM 541 Views
Depends on whether the driver, rather than the law, is the one insisting. Joel - 06/07/2011 08:06:24 PM 410 Views
You'd place your own comfort over other people's safety? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 11:37:00 PM 447 Views
It's more a comfort issue than anything else; it's not solely one. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:56:28 PM 919 Views
Sorry, but that doesn't make sense ironclad - 06/07/2011 07:02:33 PM 694 Views
Yes it does ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:32:54 PM 433 Views
how many people are really seriously injured that way? random thoughts - 06/07/2011 07:15:16 PM 654 Views
Did you actually read my post? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:36:13 PM 554 Views
my ex had 3 cracked ribs from an accident like that moondog - 07/07/2011 02:46:07 AM 605 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 05:18:12 PM 654 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 06/07/2011 06:13:44 PM 722 Views
Hold the phone here... Jeordam - 06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM 812 Views
+1 *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM 301 Views
You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life? Joel - 06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM 562 Views
im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM 286 Views
It's really not. Joel - 07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM 593 Views
i'm really not Yunalesca - 07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM 658 Views
Fine as far as it goes, but public/private only matters to the extent others are affected. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:15:33 AM 632 Views
What else could the debate be about? Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:58:51 PM 524 Views
"The babys life", not just "life". Joel - 07/07/2011 12:18:02 AM 856 Views
Holding the phone here might be good, yes.... Joel - 06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM 651 Views
See...that's the difference between you and me Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM 751 Views
Apparently so; "completely anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body" sounds nonsensical to me. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:44:50 PM 748 Views
I think I could make that up. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 05/07/2011 11:41:00 PM 235 Views
Smartass *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:57:22 AM 241 Views
I'm with Joel. I always buckle up/helmet up, but I think such laws are asinine beetnemesis - 06/07/2011 02:30:04 AM 424 Views
why not just ban motorcycles all together, they are much more dangerous than cars random thoughts - 06/07/2011 05:39:51 PM 432 Views
Helmets help save lives. 'Onest. Two Wongs - 07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM 597 Views
So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM 601 Views
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