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It's not "much like" childish defiance. It IS. *NM* eucatastrophe Send a noteboard - 06/07/2011 11:45:05 PM
He understood the safety issue. He would not wear a seatbelt or a helmet, just to protest nanny state laws. I basically told him to grow up. He desrved every ticket he got. There shouldn't be a law for adults but there is. All these arguments for rights in those two cases have a little bit of merit but seem very whiney and childish. This incident just proved the point even more so.

See link below. A biker protesting a new helmet law crashed during the protest and died from head trauma. Doctors said wearing a helmet would have saved his life...

*disclaimer* i had a nasty bike accident when i was 9, i was not wearing a helmet and i was badly concussed for several days. thankfully it happened in a forest and not on the road. so people not wearing a helmet while cycling or motor cycling really piss me off *end*

my mind really boggles when it comes to people like this, would that guy have driven a car with no seat belts or a ship with no lifeboats in to an ice field?

a helmet isn't like a water bottle holder or an ashtray, if you don't have a proper helmet you shouldn't bother sitting on a bike, with or without a motor.


If I rode a motorcycle (which I wouldn't, on a bet) I'd wear a helmet, but deeply resent being forced to do so on a bicycle. Given how many fiercely independent bikers I've known I think my resentment of helmet laws only a pale shadow of theirs. If people cycling without a helmet really piss you off I offer the same advice I give people who get really pissed off at women killing fetuses because they don't want to bear a child: Don't let them tell you what to do with your own body, and grant them the same courtesy.

Maybe he would've driven a car without seatbelts; probably, if it were legal. I certainly would, and as a backseat passenger strongly preferred it in the days when my "safety belt" did little more than make me likely to be trapped in a burning vehicle or have my organs crushed or sliced when thrown against a lap belt. My body, my life, my choice; it's called "freedom". The trouble with people applauding govenment dictates on what people do or don't do with their own bodies is that they've forgotten there's no guarantee said government will always issue dictates of which they approve. Civilized governments don't allow incidental majorities to tell minorities what they must believe to save their souls or do to save their babies so it seems a little bizarre when they let majorities tell minorities what they must do to save their lives. In a country that just recently celebrated a government founded on majority rule IN CONJUNCTION WITH minority rights it's also rather hypocritical.
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash - 05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM 807 Views
Kinda undermines his protest *NM* - 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM 231 Views
Just a tad bit *NM* - 05/07/2011 09:06:24 PM 210 Views
How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible. - 05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM 499 Views
New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety - 05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM 465 Views
He felt his own safety was his own concern. - 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM 397 Views
Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM 552 Views
The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables. - 06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM 667 Views
Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out - 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM 450 Views
Yeah, that is a better example. - 06/07/2011 03:03:01 AM 444 Views
Oops, ignore! *NM* - 06/07/2011 11:44:10 PM 280 Views
Now, who said irony wasn't funny? *NM* - 05/07/2011 09:22:58 PM 337 Views
what a fricking idiot - 05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM 635 Views
That's your opinion to which you're entitled. - 05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM 872 Views
Anarchy, baby! *NM* - 06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM 438 Views
I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance. - 06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM 688 Views
It's not "much like" childish defiance. It IS. *NM* - 06/07/2011 11:45:05 PM 385 Views
Uh Joel... - 06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM 492 Views
Sorry, but that doesn't make sense - 06/07/2011 07:02:33 PM 692 Views
Yes it does - 06/07/2011 07:32:54 PM 431 Views
how many people are really seriously injured that way? - 06/07/2011 07:15:16 PM 652 Views
Did you actually read my post? - 06/07/2011 07:36:13 PM 553 Views
my ex had 3 cracked ribs from an accident like that - 07/07/2011 02:46:07 AM 602 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. - 06/07/2011 05:18:12 PM 651 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. - 06/07/2011 06:13:44 PM 720 Views
Hold the phone here... - 06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM 809 Views
+1 *NM* - 06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM 300 Views
You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life? - 06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM 559 Views
im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM* - 06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM 284 Views
It's really not. - 07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM 592 Views
i'm really not - 07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM 655 Views
What else could the debate be about? - 06/07/2011 10:58:51 PM 522 Views
"The babys life", not just "life". - 07/07/2011 12:18:02 AM 852 Views
I think I could make that up. *NM* - 05/07/2011 11:41:00 PM 233 Views
Smartass *NM* - 06/07/2011 12:57:22 AM 239 Views
Helmets help save lives. 'Onest. - 07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM 595 Views

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