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It's not "much like" childish defiance. It IS. *NM* eucatastrophe Send a noteboard - 06/07/2011 11:45:05 PM
He understood the safety issue. He would not wear a seatbelt or a helmet, just to protest nanny state laws. I basically told him to grow up. He desrved every ticket he got. There shouldn't be a law for adults but there is. All these arguments for rights in those two cases have a little bit of merit but seem very whiney and childish. This incident just proved the point even more so.

See link below. A biker protesting a new helmet law crashed during the protest and died from head trauma. Doctors said wearing a helmet would have saved his life...

*disclaimer* i had a nasty bike accident when i was 9, i was not wearing a helmet and i was badly concussed for several days. thankfully it happened in a forest and not on the road. so people not wearing a helmet while cycling or motor cycling really piss me off *end*

my mind really boggles when it comes to people like this, would that guy have driven a car with no seat belts or a ship with no lifeboats in to an ice field?

a helmet isn't like a water bottle holder or an ashtray, if you don't have a proper helmet you shouldn't bother sitting on a bike, with or without a motor.


If I rode a motorcycle (which I wouldn't, on a bet) I'd wear a helmet, but deeply resent being forced to do so on a bicycle. Given how many fiercely independent bikers I've known I think my resentment of helmet laws only a pale shadow of theirs. If people cycling without a helmet really piss you off I offer the same advice I give people who get really pissed off at women killing fetuses because they don't want to bear a child: Don't let them tell you what to do with your own body, and grant them the same courtesy.

Maybe he would've driven a car without seatbelts; probably, if it were legal. I certainly would, and as a backseat passenger strongly preferred it in the days when my "safety belt" did little more than make me likely to be trapped in a burning vehicle or have my organs crushed or sliced when thrown against a lap belt. My body, my life, my choice; it's called "freedom". The trouble with people applauding govenment dictates on what people do or don't do with their own bodies is that they've forgotten there's no guarantee said government will always issue dictates of which they approve. Civilized governments don't allow incidental majorities to tell minorities what they must believe to save their souls or do to save their babies so it seems a little bizarre when they let majorities tell minorities what they must do to save their lives. In a country that just recently celebrated a government founded on majority rule IN CONJUNCTION WITH minority rights it's also rather hypocritical.
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash - 05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM 1157 Views
Kinda undermines his protest *NM* - 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM 365 Views
Just a tad bit *NM* - 05/07/2011 09:06:24 PM 343 Views
How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible. - 05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM 792 Views
New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety - 05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM 744 Views
He felt his own safety was his own concern. - 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM 687 Views
Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM 856 Views
The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables. - 06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM 975 Views
Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out - 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM 757 Views
Yeah, that is a better example. - 06/07/2011 03:03:01 AM 724 Views
Oops, ignore! *NM* - 06/07/2011 11:44:10 PM 430 Views
Now, who said irony wasn't funny? *NM* - 05/07/2011 09:22:58 PM 481 Views
what a fricking idiot - 05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM 933 Views
That's your opinion to which you're entitled. - 05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM 1198 Views
Anarchy, baby! *NM* - 06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM 589 Views
I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance. - 06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM 1088 Views
It's not "much like" childish defiance. It IS. *NM* - 06/07/2011 11:45:05 PM 545 Views
Uh Joel... - 06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM 795 Views
Sorry, but that doesn't make sense - 06/07/2011 07:02:33 PM 993 Views
Yes it does - 06/07/2011 07:32:54 PM 762 Views
how many people are really seriously injured that way? - 06/07/2011 07:15:16 PM 988 Views
Did you actually read my post? - 06/07/2011 07:36:13 PM 867 Views
my ex had 3 cracked ribs from an accident like that - 07/07/2011 02:46:07 AM 894 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. - 06/07/2011 05:18:12 PM 942 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. - 06/07/2011 06:13:44 PM 1036 Views
Hold the phone here... - 06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM 1198 Views
+1 *NM* - 06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM 424 Views
You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life? - 06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM 870 Views
im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM* - 06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM 420 Views
It's really not. - 07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM 892 Views
i'm really not - 07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM 985 Views
What else could the debate be about? - 06/07/2011 10:58:51 PM 813 Views
"The babys life", not just "life". - 07/07/2011 12:18:02 AM 1148 Views
Holding the phone here might be good, yes.... - 06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM 952 Views
I think I could make that up. *NM* - 05/07/2011 11:41:00 PM 386 Views
Smartass *NM* - 06/07/2011 12:57:22 AM 375 Views
Helmets help save lives. 'Onest. - 07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM 912 Views

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