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While there is some truth to your argument ... Nate Send a noteboard - 24/08/2011 02:29:28 AM
... you are applying an awfully broad brush to what is a very diverse group with equally diverse situations.

Living within your means is definitely good advice and something everyone should live by, poor or middle class or anyone. But I'm pretty sure there are a lot of poor people who live within their means and still struggle, people who can't simply "apply themselves" and make everything better. Some of them made poor choices, maybe. Some of them just had plain old bad luck. Some of them were forced into situations where they couldn't get ahead.

I mean, I'm glad that you managed to get ahead of the game through hard work. You deserve it. But I don't think you should assume it works the same way for absolutely everyone. There are long odds stacked against some people.
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Make the poor pay their fair share Roland00 - 23/08/2011 11:22:37 PM 1543 Views
Part 2 of 2 Roland00 - 23/08/2011 11:23:24 PM 897 Views
It is disgraceful that over 40% of households pay no federal income tax..... trzaska2000 - 23/08/2011 11:47:54 PM 872 Views
Did you even watch both videos? *NM* Roland00 - 24/08/2011 12:08:43 AM 358 Views
yes you should watch more comedy central so you can understand economics random thoughts - 24/08/2011 12:14:09 AM 821 Views
Sometimes reality sucks so bad that you need a joker to tell you the truth. Roland00 - 24/08/2011 12:26:50 AM 920 Views
that wouldn't be a valid even if anyone was suggesting a 50% tax bracket for anyone random thoughts - 24/08/2011 01:27:19 AM 758 Views
I'm not sure if you're missing the point or not. Nate - 24/08/2011 02:20:49 AM 989 Views
I believe... callandor1000 - 24/08/2011 03:59:00 AM 932 Views
no I heard what he say Ihe is just wrong *NM* random thoughts - 24/08/2011 11:46:54 AM 393 Views
no the point is Stewart is using a strawman argument then random thoughts - 24/08/2011 12:22:55 PM 920 Views
I repeat did you watch both videos? Roland00 - 24/08/2011 03:09:48 AM 763 Views
did you actually think about what you were watching? random thoughts - 24/08/2011 01:23:47 PM 870 Views
Here is what he said, since you are at work Roland00 - 24/08/2011 11:36:52 PM 779 Views
IN that case I stand firmly by my statement that is all BS random thoughts - 25/08/2011 12:08:24 AM 657 Views
The numbers barely change if you use income instead of wealth Roland00 - 25/08/2011 03:40:12 AM 798 Views
sorry again your fudging that is adjusted gross income what would the unadjusted gross be? random thoughts - 25/08/2011 02:30:06 PM 768 Views
I considered a progressive tax a feature not a bug Roland00 - 25/08/2011 08:36:48 PM 683 Views
I thought you were a flat taxer random thoughts - 25/08/2011 09:36:21 PM 808 Views
So you will not bring up your own numbers Roland00 - 25/08/2011 09:59:31 PM 681 Views
so just proving your numbers are wrong isn't enough? random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:03:52 PM 767 Views
how are my numbers not valid? *NM* Roland00 - 27/08/2011 03:29:34 AM 371 Views
OK lets try something different random thoughts - 28/08/2011 03:24:27 PM 694 Views
When you say serious republican? Roland00 - 29/08/2011 12:47:40 AM 790 Views
I simple "no I can't defend it" would have worked *NM* random thoughts - 29/08/2011 02:00:11 PM 439 Views
Laughs, you are funny Roland00 - 30/08/2011 12:25:52 AM 726 Views
Never had much sympathy for the poor Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 02:18:57 AM 866 Views
While there is some truth to your argument ... Nate - 24/08/2011 02:29:28 AM 990 Views
Very true Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 02:39:41 AM 695 Views
Not exclusively. Nate - 24/08/2011 02:48:58 AM 789 Views
All those people you mentioned fall under "temporary" Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 03:06:04 AM 747 Views
Okay, I will be the mean guy and say it.....why have three kids trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:18:27 AM 800 Views
That's what I've never understood Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 03:24:20 AM 798 Views
That's what I assume as well.....but honestly..... trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:32:59 AM 628 Views
What if everyone really did try their hardest? Nate - 24/08/2011 03:38:39 AM 696 Views
Illegals would cover those jobs and we will continue to look the other way - trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:46:55 AM 703 Views
So you, as a Republican, approve of illegal immigration? *NM* Macharius - 24/08/2011 03:49:26 AM 345 Views
In the scenario Nate illustrated, I would be more tolerant of illegals. trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:53:23 AM 651 Views
Not possible Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 03:48:05 AM 786 Views
You have that in Eastern European countries Helene - 24/08/2011 11:05:07 PM 784 Views
There are several possibilities. Nate - 24/08/2011 03:30:32 AM 767 Views
Very true and very wise take ... Roonas - 24/08/2011 04:33:53 AM 702 Views
Re: Okay, I will be the mean guy and say it.....why have three kids Aeryn - 24/08/2011 04:15:54 AM 706 Views
The first few weeks suck ... Roonas - 24/08/2011 04:30:13 AM 764 Views
Celibacy is a choice, but chosen for the wrong reasons and it never works Roland00 - 24/08/2011 06:31:47 AM 786 Views
I found most of what you wrote tough to decipher ... Roonas - 24/08/2011 07:14:42 AM 833 Views
I think people misuse the word "celibacy" Aeryn - 26/08/2011 04:27:27 PM 870 Views
"Lifelong" is a stretch.....just long enough so you aren't poor anymore. trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 05:03:30 AM 814 Views
What if you're one of those unfortunate souls who will never be a middle manager? No sex for you! *NM* Aeryn - 26/08/2011 04:24:36 PM 367 Views
Maybe you should stop voting for the people who oppose birth control and sex ed, then. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 25/08/2011 06:10:15 AM 306 Views
Is it so much opposition to... Jeordam - 25/08/2011 09:18:12 PM 779 Views
It's opposition to birth control and sex ed. Dreaded Anomaly - 26/08/2011 01:06:38 AM 694 Views
now that is true liberal thinking random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:24:02 PM 786 Views
No joke. This thought process kind of puts me on edge. *NM* Jeordam - 26/08/2011 05:47:15 PM 391 Views
Neither you nor Jeordam has justified that position. Dreaded Anomaly - 28/08/2011 12:05:51 AM 707 Views
wow you go deeper and deeper into the the land of far left crazy random thoughts - 28/08/2011 03:31:45 PM 765 Views
I don't view the "liberty" to teach lies to children as something that merits state investment. Dreaded Anomaly - 29/08/2011 04:17:27 AM 975 Views
looks like someone has tuaght you a fair amount of lies random thoughts - 29/08/2011 02:01:29 PM 641 Views
I will take this as a concession since it contains nothing even close to legitimate objection. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 29/08/2011 05:18:14 PM 304 Views
that should work since you do seem to be talented at believing what you want to be true is true *NM* random thoughts - 29/08/2011 05:45:17 PM 350 Views
I can comment on this one.... Jeordam - 29/08/2011 11:51:40 PM 826 Views
Re: I can comment on this one.... Dreaded Anomaly - 30/08/2011 03:54:07 AM 707 Views
who opposes birth control? *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2011 09:37:04 PM 404 Views
Many religous groups such as Catholics, it is cultural as well *NM* Roland00 - 25/08/2011 10:01:39 PM 345 Views
From the context from this sub-thread, maybe the question was regarding specific politicians? *NM* Jeordam - 25/08/2011 11:21:32 PM 365 Views
I don't believe we have a chatloiuc party or any anti-birth control party *NM* random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:15:56 PM 383 Views
The Republican party and social conservatives in general. Dreaded Anomaly - 26/08/2011 12:52:32 AM 780 Views
so your answer is left wing talking points and damn reality? random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:14:58 PM 767 Views
Reality leans left. Dreaded Anomaly - 27/08/2011 11:56:00 PM 774 Views
you talking about reality is funny but it doesn't support your argument in the slighetest random thoughts - 28/08/2011 03:37:42 PM 647 Views
They blatantly lied about the effectiveness of birth control. Dreaded Anomaly - 29/08/2011 04:14:17 AM 652 Views
Can you show me where Bush said that? random thoughts - 29/08/2011 02:03:53 PM 734 Views
No, I have most of the groups that taught abstinence-only. Dreaded Anomaly - 29/08/2011 05:17:39 PM 757 Views
the little bit of slanted reality form a Waxman staffer? random thoughts - 29/08/2011 05:43:42 PM 769 Views
Talk about believing what you want to believe. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/08/2011 03:38:49 AM 672 Views
Funny..... Jeordam - 26/08/2011 05:54:38 PM 768 Views
Re: Funny..... Dreaded Anomaly - 28/08/2011 12:15:25 AM 676 Views
I'll just comment on this one thought... Jeordam - 29/08/2011 11:58:08 PM 803 Views
The state does if the parent places their children in public education. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/08/2011 03:58:29 AM 795 Views
The number of ridiculous stereotypes in your first paragraph are off the hook. Are you joking? everynametaken - 24/08/2011 02:53:13 AM 609 Views
Ridiculous stereotypes? Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 03:03:52 AM 801 Views
You are much more right than wrong..... trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:23:22 AM 710 Views
"Most poor people are lazy nowadays due to... welfare and government dependence." Ghavrel - 24/08/2011 06:48:29 AM 719 Views
The truth sometimes sucks, but it is the truth nonetheless..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 02:53:49 PM 359 Views
I agree for the most part Roland00 - 24/08/2011 03:27:21 AM 629 Views
Woah woah woah. You had me until the end LadyLorraine - 25/08/2011 09:21:50 AM 753 Views
I know the chances of that are very slim Roland00 - 25/08/2011 01:07:41 PM 666 Views
This video is unavailable from your location *NM* Colonel Logain - 24/08/2011 03:42:26 AM 363 Views
Does this work? Roland00 - 24/08/2011 04:21:47 AM 623 Views
Still only visible from the States... Colonel Logain - 24/08/2011 04:27:32 AM 622 Views
Not so, the first link works for me here. Joel - 26/08/2011 01:31:18 AM 721 Views
Tax hikes for unemployed homeless people to pay for an(other) "one time" corporate tax holiday. Joel - 26/08/2011 01:25:16 AM 791 Views
Crap presentation of an important issue. Vodalus - 26/08/2011 05:32:46 AM 875 Views
no one thinks a family of four can live on that random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:28:49 PM 653 Views
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