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What if everyone really did try their hardest? Nate Send a noteboard - 24/08/2011 03:38:39 AM
.....that is the most selfish reason to ever have kids. It's call personal responsibility. Why should our expectations and standards be any less for poor people? Demand the best and most will rise to the occasion and succeed just like you did.

GWB was a joke in many ways, but he was right that "low expectations" is nothing other than bigotry.


Kind of a tangent, but the thought occurred to me. What if everyone really did apply themselves fully, worked their way up, got an education?

Would there be enough decent-paying jobs for all of them? Or would there be a ton of motivated, educated people working at Wal-Mart and McDonalds? Would there be enough jobs for them all, or would at least five percent of these 300 million* motivated, educated people be stuck on the unemployment list because there just weren't positions available?


*I know the actual number of age 18-65 Americans isn't 300 million, but it's the number I associate with the US population. Whatever number it really is, just plug it in.
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Make the poor pay their fair share Roland00 - 23/08/2011 11:22:37 PM 1635 Views
Part 2 of 2 Roland00 - 23/08/2011 11:23:24 PM 1009 Views
It is disgraceful that over 40% of households pay no federal income tax..... trzaska2000 - 23/08/2011 11:47:54 PM 964 Views
Did you even watch both videos? *NM* Roland00 - 24/08/2011 12:08:43 AM 414 Views
yes you should watch more comedy central so you can understand economics random thoughts - 24/08/2011 12:14:09 AM 891 Views
Sometimes reality sucks so bad that you need a joker to tell you the truth. Roland00 - 24/08/2011 12:26:50 AM 993 Views
that wouldn't be a valid even if anyone was suggesting a 50% tax bracket for anyone random thoughts - 24/08/2011 01:27:19 AM 830 Views
I'm not sure if you're missing the point or not. Nate - 24/08/2011 02:20:49 AM 1079 Views
I believe... callandor1000 - 24/08/2011 03:59:00 AM 1001 Views
no I heard what he say Ihe is just wrong *NM* random thoughts - 24/08/2011 11:46:54 AM 433 Views
no the point is Stewart is using a strawman argument then random thoughts - 24/08/2011 12:22:55 PM 990 Views
I repeat did you watch both videos? Roland00 - 24/08/2011 03:09:48 AM 839 Views
did you actually think about what you were watching? random thoughts - 24/08/2011 01:23:47 PM 951 Views
Here is what he said, since you are at work Roland00 - 24/08/2011 11:36:52 PM 865 Views
IN that case I stand firmly by my statement that is all BS random thoughts - 25/08/2011 12:08:24 AM 738 Views
The numbers barely change if you use income instead of wealth Roland00 - 25/08/2011 03:40:12 AM 871 Views
sorry again your fudging that is adjusted gross income what would the unadjusted gross be? random thoughts - 25/08/2011 02:30:06 PM 841 Views
I considered a progressive tax a feature not a bug Roland00 - 25/08/2011 08:36:48 PM 752 Views
I thought you were a flat taxer random thoughts - 25/08/2011 09:36:21 PM 888 Views
So you will not bring up your own numbers Roland00 - 25/08/2011 09:59:31 PM 750 Views
so just proving your numbers are wrong isn't enough? random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:03:52 PM 862 Views
how are my numbers not valid? *NM* Roland00 - 27/08/2011 03:29:34 AM 419 Views
OK lets try something different random thoughts - 28/08/2011 03:24:27 PM 769 Views
When you say serious republican? Roland00 - 29/08/2011 12:47:40 AM 869 Views
I simple "no I can't defend it" would have worked *NM* random thoughts - 29/08/2011 02:00:11 PM 485 Views
Laughs, you are funny Roland00 - 30/08/2011 12:25:52 AM 807 Views
Never had much sympathy for the poor Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 02:18:57 AM 954 Views
While there is some truth to your argument ... Nate - 24/08/2011 02:29:28 AM 1067 Views
Very true Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 02:39:41 AM 772 Views
Not exclusively. Nate - 24/08/2011 02:48:58 AM 870 Views
All those people you mentioned fall under "temporary" Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 03:06:04 AM 825 Views
Okay, I will be the mean guy and say it.....why have three kids trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:18:27 AM 893 Views
That's what I've never understood Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 03:24:20 AM 884 Views
That's what I assume as well.....but honestly..... trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:32:59 AM 733 Views
What if everyone really did try their hardest? Nate - 24/08/2011 03:38:39 AM 774 Views
Illegals would cover those jobs and we will continue to look the other way - trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:46:55 AM 781 Views
So you, as a Republican, approve of illegal immigration? *NM* Macharius - 24/08/2011 03:49:26 AM 386 Views
In the scenario Nate illustrated, I would be more tolerant of illegals. trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:53:23 AM 724 Views
Not possible Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 03:48:05 AM 856 Views
You have that in Eastern European countries Helene - 24/08/2011 11:05:07 PM 852 Views
There are several possibilities. Nate - 24/08/2011 03:30:32 AM 842 Views
Very true and very wise take ... Roonas - 24/08/2011 04:33:53 AM 794 Views
Re: Okay, I will be the mean guy and say it.....why have three kids Aeryn - 24/08/2011 04:15:54 AM 774 Views
The first few weeks suck ... Roonas - 24/08/2011 04:30:13 AM 873 Views
Celibacy is a choice, but chosen for the wrong reasons and it never works Roland00 - 24/08/2011 06:31:47 AM 867 Views
I found most of what you wrote tough to decipher ... Roonas - 24/08/2011 07:14:42 AM 904 Views
I think people misuse the word "celibacy" Aeryn - 26/08/2011 04:27:27 PM 943 Views
"Lifelong" is a stretch.....just long enough so you aren't poor anymore. trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 05:03:30 AM 904 Views
What if you're one of those unfortunate souls who will never be a middle manager? No sex for you! *NM* Aeryn - 26/08/2011 04:24:36 PM 420 Views
Maybe you should stop voting for the people who oppose birth control and sex ed, then. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 25/08/2011 06:10:15 AM 348 Views
Is it so much opposition to... Jeordam - 25/08/2011 09:18:12 PM 878 Views
It's opposition to birth control and sex ed. Dreaded Anomaly - 26/08/2011 01:06:38 AM 770 Views
now that is true liberal thinking random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:24:02 PM 918 Views
No joke. This thought process kind of puts me on edge. *NM* Jeordam - 26/08/2011 05:47:15 PM 434 Views
Neither you nor Jeordam has justified that position. Dreaded Anomaly - 28/08/2011 12:05:51 AM 782 Views
wow you go deeper and deeper into the the land of far left crazy random thoughts - 28/08/2011 03:31:45 PM 850 Views
I don't view the "liberty" to teach lies to children as something that merits state investment. Dreaded Anomaly - 29/08/2011 04:17:27 AM 1056 Views
looks like someone has tuaght you a fair amount of lies random thoughts - 29/08/2011 02:01:29 PM 722 Views
I will take this as a concession since it contains nothing even close to legitimate objection. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 29/08/2011 05:18:14 PM 347 Views
that should work since you do seem to be talented at believing what you want to be true is true *NM* random thoughts - 29/08/2011 05:45:17 PM 390 Views
I can comment on this one.... Jeordam - 29/08/2011 11:51:40 PM 901 Views
Re: I can comment on this one.... Dreaded Anomaly - 30/08/2011 03:54:07 AM 785 Views
who opposes birth control? *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2011 09:37:04 PM 446 Views
Many religous groups such as Catholics, it is cultural as well *NM* Roland00 - 25/08/2011 10:01:39 PM 387 Views
From the context from this sub-thread, maybe the question was regarding specific politicians? *NM* Jeordam - 25/08/2011 11:21:32 PM 424 Views
I don't believe we have a chatloiuc party or any anti-birth control party *NM* random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:15:56 PM 423 Views
The Republican party and social conservatives in general. Dreaded Anomaly - 26/08/2011 12:52:32 AM 861 Views
so your answer is left wing talking points and damn reality? random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:14:58 PM 845 Views
Reality leans left. Dreaded Anomaly - 27/08/2011 11:56:00 PM 862 Views
you talking about reality is funny but it doesn't support your argument in the slighetest random thoughts - 28/08/2011 03:37:42 PM 719 Views
They blatantly lied about the effectiveness of birth control. Dreaded Anomaly - 29/08/2011 04:14:17 AM 718 Views
Can you show me where Bush said that? random thoughts - 29/08/2011 02:03:53 PM 816 Views
No, I have most of the groups that taught abstinence-only. Dreaded Anomaly - 29/08/2011 05:17:39 PM 830 Views
the little bit of slanted reality form a Waxman staffer? random thoughts - 29/08/2011 05:43:42 PM 906 Views
Talk about believing what you want to believe. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/08/2011 03:38:49 AM 750 Views
Funny..... Jeordam - 26/08/2011 05:54:38 PM 855 Views
Re: Funny..... Dreaded Anomaly - 28/08/2011 12:15:25 AM 752 Views
I'll just comment on this one thought... Jeordam - 29/08/2011 11:58:08 PM 883 Views
The state does if the parent places their children in public education. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/08/2011 03:58:29 AM 871 Views
The number of ridiculous stereotypes in your first paragraph are off the hook. Are you joking? everynametaken - 24/08/2011 02:53:13 AM 675 Views
Ridiculous stereotypes? Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 03:03:52 AM 884 Views
You are much more right than wrong..... trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:23:22 AM 784 Views
"Most poor people are lazy nowadays due to... welfare and government dependence." Ghavrel - 24/08/2011 06:48:29 AM 792 Views
The truth sometimes sucks, but it is the truth nonetheless..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 02:53:49 PM 398 Views
I agree for the most part Roland00 - 24/08/2011 03:27:21 AM 702 Views
Woah woah woah. You had me until the end LadyLorraine - 25/08/2011 09:21:50 AM 826 Views
I know the chances of that are very slim Roland00 - 25/08/2011 01:07:41 PM 738 Views
This video is unavailable from your location *NM* Colonel Logain - 24/08/2011 03:42:26 AM 406 Views
Does this work? Roland00 - 24/08/2011 04:21:47 AM 710 Views
Still only visible from the States... Colonel Logain - 24/08/2011 04:27:32 AM 695 Views
Not so, the first link works for me here. Joel - 26/08/2011 01:31:18 AM 825 Views
Tax hikes for unemployed homeless people to pay for an(other) "one time" corporate tax holiday. Joel - 26/08/2011 01:25:16 AM 877 Views
Crap presentation of an important issue. Vodalus - 26/08/2011 05:32:46 AM 952 Views
no one thinks a family of four can live on that random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:28:49 PM 728 Views
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