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That's a good point! Vivien Send a noteboard - 14/09/2011 04:34:36 PM
Just ready to take a jump of faith that I would not take.

Could be crazy, but not necessarily. Atheists are also not all rational and sane for that matter.

Agnostics, sure; they often seem the most rational and sane as a group, but positive atheism just takes the same leap of faith rt referenced; it simply leaps in the other direction. Saying you're undecided, or there's not convincing evidence or even that the balance of evidence indicates there's probably no God is rational (though I dispute the veracity of that last example, obviously). The inability to prove a negative, however, is a cornerstone of logic, so claiming to have done so is automatically irrational.


I've struggled with this myself and yes of course being agnostic is the purely rational and scientific approach. I used to always call myself an agnostic. However, no scientific experiment has ZERO error. There's always some uncertainty, abut that doesn't mean we can't make conclusions. Basically, if you're 99.9999% sure of something it's kind of ok to round up and drop that epsilon for the purposes of discussion. No, I don't 100% know that the Bible or the Koran or Joseph Smith's plates are not the word of God, but I'm preeeeetty sure and that's good enough.
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