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Much better. Vivien Send a noteboard - 14/09/2011 04:49:38 PM
Yes, I understand how that comment could have been perceived in a negative way and I would have been happy to clarify and discuss it. What I *didn't* like is that the statement that offfended people was not what was discussed and instead there was direct hostility and condescension in response to other stuff I said, which is both out of left field and an attack on my *person* rather than my words. Not a productive discussion! I think that it's one thing to say "your words are condescending to these people for such and such reasons" than to actually *be* personally condescending and hostile to someone in particular.


What you're saying amounts to "religious people can be normal, productive and safe members of society because the batshit crazy nonsense they call religion doesn't come up much in their daily lives." That's like me saying you're a positive and totally nonthreatening member of society because you confine your cannibalism to dinner time, and restrict it to the privacy of your own home; can you see how that's a SOMEWHAT backhanded compliment? :P You're not saying religious most religious people are rational, you're saying we're ALL irrational, but some of us are SO irrational that we can ignore fundamental contradictions between our core beliefs.

I'm not one to deny the importance of cognitive dissonance, but reducing rational religious people to that not only insults them but misrepresents reality to yourself as well as others. You're insisting on a conflict where none is necessary and explaining it as a mental weakness of the people in whom it exists. That's both hostile and condescending, yes, whether or not you recognize it as such.
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Jon Huntsman, the No-Drama Conservative (he speaks like a diplomat but he is no moderate) - 03/09/2011 05:11:12 PM 2469 Views
I haven't had a chance to read the entire article yet - 03/09/2011 09:00:22 PM 212 Views
Do we need two catholics in the race? *NM* - 03/09/2011 11:24:19 PM 128 Views
I'd settle for one real one. - 04/09/2011 09:44:03 PM 195 Views
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Religion is an indication on whether or not a candidate is rational-minded or not. - 06/09/2011 11:11:43 AM 342 Views
I agree the left does use religious prejudice to disqualify candidates - 06/09/2011 02:04:02 PM 194 Views
How is it any different than Islam? - 06/09/2011 05:00:30 PM 206 Views
Good point, they're all crazy. - 07/09/2011 06:30:32 AM 196 Views
I am an athiest, but they are not all crazy - 08/09/2011 02:19:38 AM 205 Views
To cite a pop culture figure, Ken Jennings seems pretty rational - 06/09/2011 10:09:25 PM 291 Views
They can compartmentalize. - 07/09/2011 06:33:42 AM 235 Views
Everyone does that - 07/09/2011 06:59:02 AM 198 Views
So, you don't think that religiosity in american politics is increasing? - 07/09/2011 06:56:12 PM 261 Views
No, absolutely not - 08/09/2011 03:25:49 AM 188 Views
Why the hostility? - 08/09/2011 03:36:37 PM 185 Views
That would be my question for you - 08/09/2011 05:01:42 PM 263 Views
Ay. - 08/09/2011 06:27:17 PM 205 Views
We seem not to be getting anywhere - 09/09/2011 12:15:02 PM 172 Views
Honestly, I had the same reaction as Isaac, which is why I responded as I did. - 12/09/2011 10:12:36 PM 263 Views
Much better. - 14/09/2011 04:49:38 PM 203 Views
Glad you liked it. - 20/09/2011 11:17:35 PM 252 Views
why do you think America is becoming more religious? - 07/09/2011 03:07:58 PM 192 Views
I said religiosity is increasing in american politics, and because it is. *NM* - 07/09/2011 06:57:35 PM 88 Views
spoken like a true believer, who needs facts when you have faith and righteousness *NM* - 07/09/2011 09:36:45 PM 92 Views
Just based on my observations. I haven't written a report on it. - 08/09/2011 03:38:40 PM 187 Views
Gallup has looked into it - 08/09/2011 04:44:25 PM 224 Views
Again, that's not what I said. - 08/09/2011 06:04:13 PM 183 Views
I think the opposite is true - 08/09/2011 06:48:41 PM 189 Views
Re: I think the opposite is true - 08/09/2011 07:11:37 PM 213 Views
Maybe to some extent, but not much. - 07/09/2011 11:22:08 PM 203 Views
There's an odd line halfway the article... - 03/09/2011 10:39:42 PM 322 Views
Which lines are you referring to? *NM* - 04/09/2011 10:03:06 PM 72 Views
This part: - 04/09/2011 10:25:57 PM 233 Views
really? I didn't read this as a neutral article - 06/09/2011 02:07:22 AM 197 Views

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