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Re: is this pledge legally binding? Isaac Send a noteboard - 18/09/2011 08:14:49 PM
politicians break promises all the time, why not on this subject?


Actually most politicians do not break promises all the time, people just say that like a mantra, plus individual people tend to decide something was a promise that wasn't and wasn't meant to be. This is also a written document they have to read and sign with short and clear language, and it has been made abundantly clear since the pledge's inception that violating the pledge, particularly its spirit or in a major fashion, would all but guarantee a strong primary challenge. I would consider voting for someone who didn't sign the pledge, for instance, but I would not vote for someone who signed it and broke it in any tangible fashion. There is some wiggle room for raising taxes in the language too, nor is it a suicide pact, but and I think most GOP primary voters would want a damn good reason for the violation, here's the House of Reps pledge:

I, _______________, pledge to the taxpayers of the _____ district
of the state of__________, and to the American people that I will:
ONE, oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax
rates for individuals and/or businesses; and
TWO, oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and
credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates.

On the campaign trail there is no room for a violater to say "That was out of context" or "This is a nuanced issue". And that's been signed by all but 6 of the GOP House Reps as well as 2 Dem house reps. I don't believe its really been specified but a house rep who wanted out of the pledge could say "I'm out of the pledge after this term" and so long as there was another primary election for them before they opted out I don't think there'd be an accusation of breaking their pledge. Other than that, they'd have to have some really, really good extenuating circumstances or face a powerfully backed primary challenger. This is a written pledge, not some short comment on the campaign trail, most voters would frown strongly on violating something like that and if anything the staunch GOP loyalists who tend to cough up donations and routinely vote in primaries tend to be even more hardcore about violating what would be seen as a written contract. So, every time the democrats try this again with some minor alteration, it's a non-starter and they know it, which is why we accuse them of playing politics rather than making serious suggestions. That is why we keep calling it a non-starter, it requires from the get-go that someone break their word.
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Ok so increasing taxes on people making 1million+ is also NOT ok with Republicans - 18/09/2011 04:43:29 PM 1154 Views
You act surprised, this has been said since the beginning, openly and repeatedly - 18/09/2011 05:48:57 PM 547 Views
is this pledge legally binding? - 18/09/2011 06:52:44 PM 479 Views
Re: is this pledge legally binding? - 18/09/2011 08:14:49 PM 663 Views
read my lips still haunts them *NM* - 18/09/2011 08:23:29 PM 421 Views
And with good reason - 18/09/2011 08:38:10 PM 637 Views
That's rather easy though, isn't it? - 18/09/2011 09:02:49 PM 675 Views
Not really - 18/09/2011 10:02:12 PM 637 Views
Many will find any pledge unreasonable. - 19/09/2011 07:01:20 AM 584 Views
and if a republican becomes president, i'm sure all taxes will go up in 2013 - 20/09/2011 04:39:21 PM 723 Views
????? - 20/09/2011 07:16:00 PM 557 Views
Well, I'm glad they've at least raised the income range they were discussing. *NM* - 18/09/2011 06:10:57 PM 307 Views
not that it really matters - 18/09/2011 06:57:21 PM 697 Views
Don't confuse posturing with actual positions. - 18/09/2011 08:59:42 PM 573 Views
NO TAX INCREASES ON ANYONE, NOT ONE PENNY..... - 18/09/2011 11:15:11 PM 703 Views
George Carlin has a great routine on shit and stuff - 19/09/2011 01:32:22 AM 597 Views
So you're solution is... do nothing? *NM* - 21/09/2011 03:39:06 AM 409 Views
Simple change the law so capital gains are considered income, that will increase taxes on the rich *NM* - 19/09/2011 01:21:41 AM 276 Views
They are already. - 19/09/2011 02:42:08 AM 473 Views
Maybe I should be clearer - 19/09/2011 02:59:34 AM 638 Views
I've long felt the capital gains rate has ruined public companies - 19/09/2011 05:13:40 AM 536 Views
I agree with all that *NM* - 19/09/2011 01:00:35 PM 401 Views
There should be a set tax percentage that every US citizen pays. *NM* - 19/09/2011 01:25:13 PM 318 Views
+1 - a flat tax, with no or limited deductions is the way to go *NM* - 19/09/2011 03:16:53 PM 261 Views
Agreed - 19/09/2011 03:46:47 PM 634 Views
"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it." - 20/09/2011 02:48:19 PM 621 Views
I fully advocate massive cuts to both entitlement programs and military spending *NM* - 20/09/2011 11:53:10 PM 296 Views
I suspected that, but wasn't sure. - 25/09/2011 03:03:47 PM 711 Views
I was just going to say the same thing - 19/09/2011 08:23:39 PM 803 Views
Why not a fixed wage for all US workers; then the problem solves itself. - 20/09/2011 01:56:35 PM 509 Views
Wages are set by economic factors, not the government - 20/09/2011 07:46:18 PM 462 Views
well they wouldn't be in a worker's paradise *NM* - 20/09/2011 08:25:56 PM 273 Views
Sorry, didn't see this until now. - 27/09/2011 11:31:39 PM 712 Views
That works if you get rid of regressive taxes like the sales tax. - 21/09/2011 04:34:07 PM 517 Views
a lot of people don't seem to understand that sales tax is a regressive tax - 21/09/2011 04:44:16 PM 578 Views
It doesn't have to be - 21/09/2011 07:45:31 PM 681 Views

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