Sure it does: Pledging to do what one wanted to do anyway is rhetoric, not principle.
Joel Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 08:04:25 PM
The entirety of your argument seems to be that pledges and promises mean nothing, as opposed to my own which said they only mean something if you enforce them by calling breakers to account and that each pledge has to be weighed on its own merits... I can't believe you're even arguing this with me. And that you don't like the pledge is no concern of mine, you want to raise taxes, you are a liberal, you have no reason to like the pledge. I would not like a pledge where people said "I will only appoint pro-choice judges" but that's hardly and illegitimate pledge showing someone is obstinate. If all you've got to rebut with is cynicism, and illogical cynicism at that, don't waste my time.
That's consistent with the idea that an action taken to serve ones interest doesn't become virtuous simply because it's incidentally the right thing to do. Anyone who wants to gain respect with a public pledge rather than simply rally those who agree with their predetermined decisions should make a pledge that will actually cost them something (rather than a pledge that costs them nothing personally but costs the nation any chance of policy reform.) How I feel about the terms of the pledge itself is neither here nor there to that; a pledge to only appoint pro-choice judges is just as bad, and a good example of how Democrats in the '70s and '80s let themselves become so captive to radicals in the base that Republicans could routinely and successfully paint them as too extreme for the general electorate. Pledges and promises CAN mean a great deal, but a pledge to pre-existing goals is just a rallying cry to pre-existing supporters and categorical dismissal of opponents, not a visionary statement of principle.
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Ok so increasing taxes on people making 1million+ is also NOT ok with Republicans
- 18/09/2011 04:43:29 PM
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You act surprised, this has been said since the beginning, openly and repeatedly
- 18/09/2011 05:48:57 PM
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is this pledge legally binding?
- 18/09/2011 06:52:44 PM
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Re: is this pledge legally binding?
- 18/09/2011 08:14:49 PM
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That's rather easy though, isn't it?
- 18/09/2011 09:02:49 PM
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Not really
- 18/09/2011 10:02:12 PM
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Many will find any pledge unreasonable.
- 19/09/2011 07:01:20 AM
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Too bad for them, any pledge stands or falls on its own merits just like in real life
- 19/09/2011 08:35:13 PM
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If elected I pledge not to post on the RPMB.
- 20/09/2011 01:54:00 PM
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- 20/09/2011 01:54:00 PM
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That didn't really make sense
- 20/09/2011 07:26:40 PM
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Sure it does: Pledging to do what one wanted to do anyway is rhetoric, not principle.
- 20/09/2011 08:04:25 PM
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Now you're debating with the definition of the word
- 20/09/2011 08:22:53 PM
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No, I accept the definition of the word, but reject cynical abuse of it.
- 21/09/2011 01:37:01 AM
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Could have done with out the kegger imagery
But this just makes it your opinion
- 21/09/2011 02:10:47 AM
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But this just makes it your opinion
- 21/09/2011 02:10:47 AM
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There is a problem with compromise in this situation and lot of it the way it is being framed
- 19/09/2011 02:57:32 PM
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and if a republican becomes president, i'm sure all taxes will go up in 2013
- 20/09/2011 04:39:21 PM
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Well, I'm glad they've at least raised the income range they were discussing. *NM*
- 18/09/2011 06:10:57 PM
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This really doesn't address what Buffet was talking about, but that's not a surprise either.
- 18/09/2011 08:35:25 PM
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Simple change the law so capital gains are considered income, that will increase taxes on the rich *NM*
- 19/09/2011 01:21:41 AM
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They are already.
- 19/09/2011 02:42:08 AM
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Maybe I should be clearer
- 19/09/2011 02:59:34 AM
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I've long felt the capital gains rate has ruined public companies
- 19/09/2011 05:13:40 AM
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Actually, I think you AND Tom, as well as Isaac, are right.
- 19/09/2011 07:13:56 AM
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Class warfare doesn't work.....if it did, the R's would not have kicked butt in 2010
- 19/09/2011 03:21:17 PM
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"If there's a class war in this country, my class is winning."--Warren Buffet
- 20/09/2011 07:54:45 PM
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There should be a set tax percentage that every US citizen pays. *NM*
- 19/09/2011 01:25:13 PM
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+1 - a flat tax, with no or limited deductions is the way to go *NM*
- 19/09/2011 03:16:53 PM
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Agreed
- 19/09/2011 03:46:47 PM
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"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
- 20/09/2011 02:48:19 PM
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I fully advocate massive cuts to both entitlement programs and military spending *NM*
- 20/09/2011 11:53:10 PM
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And every child should be adequately fed and recieve a good education *NM*
- 19/09/2011 10:40:58 PM
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Why not a fixed wage for all US workers; then the problem solves itself.
- 20/09/2011 01:56:35 PM
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- 20/09/2011 01:56:35 PM
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That works if you get rid of regressive taxes like the sales tax.
- 21/09/2011 04:34:07 PM
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a lot of people don't seem to understand that sales tax is a regressive tax
- 21/09/2011 04:44:16 PM
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It doesn't have to be
- 21/09/2011 07:45:31 PM
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Your solution is to tax people's savings? Tax "money storage", so that would be banks, right?
- 21/09/2011 10:29:36 PM
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