Probably. Technically, I believe the currently accepted STYLE (not necessarily the same as grammar) is to omit commas before the final element in a series ("x, y and z" not "x, y, and z,") so it could be argued there should be no comma before "etc." in your first question. I still dislike the word "besides," but that is my idiosyncracy, since it is undeniably correct grammar (I prefer using "beside" in all instances, which is also acceptable, but vulnerable to the ambiguity discussed <a href=" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/besides">here</a>.)
I do not believe "etc." in this case (perhaps in any case) should fall prey to serial comma conventions. In order to do so, as you note in your example, there would need to be an "and" before it, which doesn't really go with "etc.". If you simply took the comma out it would read (I'm paraphrasing, I don't have the exact words on hand), "using Twitter, posting on Facebook etc." I feel in this case that using the comma is correct regardless of serial comma conventions.
The serial comma is definitely not a matter of grammatical law, as you said. As long as you either consistently use it or consistently don't use it, you're fine. The standard convention even differs from country to country. In Canadian grammar, for example, it is customary to include the serial comma between the last two items of lists. Bread, milk, and cheese. I'm sort of fond of the little bugger myself.
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Grammar junkies
- 05/10/2011 06:46:31 PM
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I'm not always sure that I'm correct, but....
- 05/10/2011 07:04:13 PM
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I didn't see any errors
- 05/10/2011 07:24:27 PM
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- 05/10/2011 07:24:27 PM
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Must ... have ... grammar.
- 05/10/2011 07:53:34 PM
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For you and Tom as well, the same question about question eight.
- 05/10/2011 08:33:39 PM
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Tom can probably give you actual terms and correct rules, but here's my take on it.
- 05/10/2011 08:43:47 PM
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Er...yes I meant them as a singular idea...
*NM*
- 05/10/2011 08:47:34 PM
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*NM*
- 05/10/2011 08:47:34 PM
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Use them together, and only together, for fifteen years and we can discuss this again. *NM*
- 05/10/2011 09:32:30 PM
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That makes sense as far as it goes.
- 05/10/2011 09:02:42 PM
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But do you actually regard them that way?
- 05/10/2011 09:08:36 PM
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Yeah, pretty much.
- 05/10/2011 09:25:18 PM
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No, Joel. You're just wrong. Again. Get used to it. We have.
- 05/10/2011 09:31:21 PM
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- 05/10/2011 09:31:21 PM
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I can live with being wrong, at least in the sense of technical error.
- 05/10/2011 10:06:30 PM
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Let's just pare this down to the bare bones.
- 06/10/2011 01:37:30 AM
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He made a mistake that I did not recognize as a mistake because I read his words as he intended.
- 06/10/2011 04:43:39 AM
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You bring up a point that I was researching the other day
- 05/10/2011 08:53:40 PM
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You guys mean a hyphen, not a dash.
- 05/10/2011 09:00:25 PM
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- 05/10/2011 09:00:25 PM
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You're right of course!
- 05/10/2011 09:13:44 PM
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I frequently am.
- 05/10/2011 09:16:38 PM
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So I've noticed.
- 05/10/2011 09:19:38 PM
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Achtung! Grammatik! :insert Nazi-saluting smiley as the Wehrmacht marches by:
- 05/10/2011 08:10:45 PM
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Good poll, especially for this site.
- 05/10/2011 08:11:10 PM
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Re: serial comma.
- 05/10/2011 08:31:58 PM
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Re: Grammar junkies
- 05/10/2011 08:33:06 PM
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People should talk in a way that can be understood, else they are not communicating.
- 05/10/2011 09:17:37 PM
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Re: "everyone's". ~winky~ *NM*
- 05/10/2011 09:22:18 PM
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Is it time for my lecture on superfluous apostrophes again?
- 05/10/2011 09:43:47 PM
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- 05/10/2011 09:43:47 PM
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Unsurprisingly, I don't really agree with you at all on this point. :p
- 05/10/2011 10:29:59 PM
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I do not really think I am "right" on this one so much as "not wrong."
- 06/10/2011 12:01:36 AM
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But contradictions are inherent in the entire English language!
- 06/10/2011 01:25:39 AM
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Ghoti. Also, this is why Rebekah and don't argue this any more.
*NM*
- 06/10/2011 04:44:42 AM
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*NM*
- 06/10/2011 04:44:42 AM
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Sure, but not deliberate ones created by grammarians who know better.
- 06/10/2011 05:40:58 AM
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I'm going to listen to the others.
- 06/10/2011 06:17:18 AM
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Like I say, I appreciate exceptions when justified (and again, only claiming to be "not wrong." )
- 06/10/2011 07:26:18 AM
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But you are wrong
- 06/10/2011 02:17:40 PM
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- 06/10/2011 02:17:40 PM
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I disagree.
- 07/10/2011 12:15:14 AM
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- 07/10/2011 12:15:14 AM
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How utterly unsurprising
- 07/10/2011 02:21:38 PM
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- 07/10/2011 02:21:38 PM
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"We want to be nothing if not persistent."
- 07/10/2011 02:39:19 PM
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Doesn't matter.
- 07/10/2011 03:12:14 PM
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Perhaps not, but it should, and I am not above being a lone voice crying in the wilderness.
- 08/10/2011 05:17:35 PM
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What.
- 06/10/2011 06:17:41 PM
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Those cases are not the same, because those words are already possessive in their own right.
- 06/10/2011 10:52:06 PM
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if you have trouble understanding my post it is more likely do to typing skills than grammar
- 05/10/2011 09:31:42 PM
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Likely so; I have the same problem, but usually when writing by hand.
- 05/10/2011 09:53:08 PM
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#1) I do not use NetSpeak while playing games, texting or using social media.
- 05/10/2011 11:34:12 PM
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What about NateSpeak? *NM*
- 06/10/2011 04:01:08 PM
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I did use that once to tell the story of you and CNRedDragon going to see Ice Princess. *NM*
- 07/10/2011 01:46:50 AM
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I freebase split infinitives on a regular basis.
- 06/10/2011 01:53:36 PM
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