It is unless the governments role is more than "you MUST do this; figure out how on your own."
Joel Send a noteboard - 19/10/2011 12:10:25 AM
Unless we hold to the idea that any rename or reform is abolishing, and I don't think any of us view that as the case. Privatizing SS recognizes the need force some active role in government pressuring and/or incentivizing saving for one's retirement. One might not agree that it is a good idea but it nevertheless isn't the same as removing it entirely.
That remains my biggest problem with Obama/Romneycare, which provides an illustrative parallel. First and foremost, most people without social security insurance in the '20s had the desire but not the means, just as most people without health insurance now. Giving them "option" of putting money they do not have into retirement plans is no more helpful than Obama/Romneycare is; FORCING them to do so despite the fact they cannot is simply cruel. More to the point, in neither case is an option they already had but could not use a "system" of any kind, private or otherwise. It is not "the ownership society," but the "own"ership society: Taxes aside, everyone is entirely on their own.
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So I am curious. What do our site conservatives think of Cain?
- 18/10/2011 09:35:47 AM
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I have trouble taking him seriously
- 18/10/2011 01:59:23 PM
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That is the problem with all Romneys opponents.
- 18/10/2011 03:32:50 PM
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what positions of Perry's do you consider radical?
- 18/10/2011 03:56:30 PM
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Well, abolishing Social Security is pretty far out there, and publicly threatening the Fed Chairman.
- 18/10/2011 04:50:03 PM
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yes but I was talkin about his actuall posistions not the made up stuff *NM*
- 18/10/2011 05:10:47 PM
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When the candidate "makes them up" they are positions.
- 18/10/2011 05:26:18 PM
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all you need to do is provide a link supporting your claim that Perry said he wants to abolish SS
- 18/10/2011 05:56:23 PM
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Really? Do you not watch the news? That's common knowledge *NM*
- 18/10/2011 06:04:06 PM
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I believe what RT means ...
- 18/10/2011 06:22:42 PM
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No it isn't a fine point
- 18/10/2011 06:48:00 PM
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He said he wants private retirement accounts instead, which is abolishing Social Security.
- 18/10/2011 10:44:33 PM
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Privatizing isn't the same as abolishing
- 18/10/2011 10:53:04 PM
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It is unless the governments role is more than "you MUST do this; figure out how on your own."
- 19/10/2011 12:10:25 AM
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Are you correcting yourself or qualifying your statement?
- 19/10/2011 06:30:34 AM
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Neither; laws requiring everyone do something do NOTHING themselves.
- 20/10/2011 10:10:31 AM
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The ALL CAPS stuff isn't helping to convince me that this isn't all kool-aid drenched hyperbole
- 20/10/2011 01:15:19 PM
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Some things are better off in private hands, but "natural dependcies" are not among those things.
- 20/10/2011 03:42:15 PM
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It is ridiculously simple; here ya go:
- 18/10/2011 08:15:24 PM
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OK he doesn't like it now give me the link where he wants to abolish it
- 18/10/2011 09:29:38 PM
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You see no conflict between this post and your next one? 
- 18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM
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- 18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM
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no I don't
- 18/10/2011 11:36:38 PM
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By his own statements he either wants to end it or violate the Constitution.
- 19/10/2011 12:13:33 AM
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you really excell at misunderstanding *NM*
- 19/10/2011 12:30:32 AM
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I understand you but disagree, because I also understand plain English.
- 19/10/2011 02:06:23 AM
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More qualified to be President than Obama was at this stage.
- 18/10/2011 07:40:33 PM
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I assume you're refering to his implemented policies of corporate welfare? *NM*
- 18/10/2011 07:46:07 PM
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He did say, "at this stage;" Obama has been a quick study at corporate welfare.
- 19/10/2011 01:19:39 AM
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So this is an "Anybody but Obama" election for you, then? *NM*
- 19/10/2011 12:16:46 AM
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I thought that was a given, the reason Republicans will swallow their bile/tongues and vote Romney.
- 19/10/2011 01:17:46 AM
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Not just anyone. That way lies more idiocy than ignoring lies and pandering.
- 19/10/2011 07:23:18 AM
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His speeches do have a clear socialist agenda; too bad none of his policies have a hint of one.
- 20/10/2011 10:25:01 AM
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Post-debate, my opinion is fairly unchanged
- 19/10/2011 06:35:32 AM
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Romney slapped Perry down so hard tonight. It was wonderful. 
- 19/10/2011 06:53:52 AM
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- 19/10/2011 06:53:52 AM
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It was that, I rather enjoyed it
- 19/10/2011 07:10:49 AM
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I promise
- 19/10/2011 10:33:49 AM
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I can see the buttons now: "Vote for... something... maybe...!"
- 20/10/2011 10:46:44 AM
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...the words made sense by themselves, but when I put them together, meaning vanished.
- 20/10/2011 11:33:46 AM
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let me ask you this about Cain
- 19/10/2011 01:47:36 PM
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Why is that, would you think?
- 19/10/2011 06:29:53 PM
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There just seems to be strong lack of good choices
- 19/10/2011 06:50:25 PM
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I'm getting the same impression... not necessarily worse candidates, just more criticism.
- 19/10/2011 08:37:21 PM
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I blame the press
- 19/10/2011 09:05:36 PM
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It's rare that I agree with you so fully. Politics is the demesne of soundbites. *NM*
- 20/10/2011 12:38:48 AM
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I blame the public, and, to a lesser degree, Nielsen and Armitron.
- 20/10/2011 11:39:43 AM
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