Active Users:1480 Time:18/10/2025 11:03:16 PM
Ultimately, there is only black and white, but they mix freely and liberally in the real world. Joel Send a noteboard - 21/11/2011 11:38:34 PM
Since nothing and no one is devoid of either, all is both, and appears gray, but we must remember always that our choices remain only black or white.
I saw everyname mention a battery thrown at a cop (which makes OWSers as dangerous to public safety as the average Philadelphia sports fan, not that that is a compliment,) and I obviously do not condone or approve the threatened retaliatory violence in that other open letter, but apart from that, is this anything more than

"You are un-American and suck!"

"No, you!"

Indeed.

I can only shake my head at the (American) tendency of extreme views here, either by calling the protesters all jobless hippies or by applauding their brave selfless efforts to make it a better world. As always, the truth is not as black and white. But why bother with shades of grey, they just aren't as much fun as calling the other side names, I suppose.

I think it largely a symptom of the two party system, which encourages left and right to play to their base for the sake of turnout (despite partisanship driving GENERAL turnout ever lower as the process disillusions ever more people.) For the electorate as much as the elected Jim Hightowers quip is more true now than ever: The only things in the middle of the road are yellow lines and dead armadillos. That can be simplified as "everything in the middle of the road is either dead or yellow." Moderates and Independents are much discussed, but that is because roughly 40% of the country is always precommitted to each side; as long as they show up on election day they will balance out and make the remaining 20% the decisive factor, but reaching out to that 20% too much runs the risk of alienating the 40% who MUST show up to make victory even possible. That usually leaves moderates and independents seeking the least radical candidate, because there is none that truly represents them; in a two party system, no candidate can afford that.

So both sides demonize each other as radical extremists, both to energize their own base and ensure moderates are terrified of their opponents. The result is a truly vicious circle in which politics becomes ever more polarized: I say you raped my dog; you say I raped yours after I killed it, etc. etc. Small wonder more people than not skip every election save presidential ones.
Honorbound and honored to be Bonded to Mahtaliel Sedai
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.

Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Reply to message
An Open Letter to All People with Nothing Better To Do - 20/11/2011 10:49:21 AM 1875 Views
Huzah! A man chooses and a slave obeys! *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:56:42 AM 582 Views
Yeah, 'cos YTs comments are all about disobedience, and the OWSers are all about submission. - 20/11/2011 12:24:36 PM 994 Views
Actually, my comment are about taking responsibility for yourself. *NM* - 20/11/2011 05:48:33 PM 592 Views
Some of them are doing just that. - 21/11/2011 11:14:58 PM 898 Views
As usual you miss the point completely. *NM* - 20/11/2011 08:27:02 PM 587 Views
How much violence has there actually been? - 20/11/2011 12:35:54 PM 998 Views
Re: How much violence has there actually been? - 20/11/2011 12:44:00 PM 1074 Views
Because it's easy. - 20/11/2011 12:49:02 PM 972 Views
I think it's great that student loans can't be discharged in bankruptcy. - 20/11/2011 06:27:27 PM 889 Views
Completely agree. *NM* - 20/11/2011 07:44:10 PM 648 Views
Asian parents have the right idea - 20/11/2011 08:49:39 PM 1017 Views
because that's not a huge generalization of an entire race... - 20/11/2011 09:05:26 PM 962 Views
every pakistani, indian, viet, chinese, cambodian person I know (and thats a lot) .... - 20/11/2011 09:27:34 PM 993 Views
I had a lot of asian peers in class growing up with parents who were not like that - 20/11/2011 10:35:45 PM 986 Views
You has? Sorry...it was too good to pass up. *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:40:48 PM 532 Views
lol! oops! *edit* fail. *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:42:33 PM 549 Views
I understand that, and agree to a certain extent. - 20/11/2011 11:53:30 PM 961 Views
Well... - 21/11/2011 05:39:09 AM 920 Views
Hm. Those are all very sensible points. Food for thought. *NM* - 21/11/2011 06:06:24 AM 487 Views
To take it a step further - 21/11/2011 02:36:49 AM 917 Views
I agree 100%. - 21/11/2011 05:41:40 AM 856 Views
they are. - 21/11/2011 06:55:27 PM 902 Views
Ultimately, there is only black and white, but they mix freely and liberally in the real world. - 21/11/2011 11:38:34 PM 883 Views
HUZZAH! Very well said. - 20/11/2011 01:20:48 PM 968 Views
"There are plenty of jobs and pay"... Do you read the news? *NM* - 20/11/2011 12:42:30 PM 548 Views
Yep, there are lots of jobs... - 20/11/2011 05:49:58 PM 1003 Views
there ARE plenty of jobs - 20/11/2011 06:14:30 PM 1029 Views
Excercise in creative thinking... - 20/11/2011 06:45:49 PM 1000 Views
Take an economics course. Learn about structural unemployment. - 20/11/2011 11:50:40 PM 923 Views
*NM* - 21/11/2011 05:13:39 AM 536 Views
I'm sorry dude, but there ARE jobs. - 20/11/2011 07:21:21 PM 999 Views
but what kind of jobs? - 20/11/2011 08:08:58 PM 812 Views
"My plastic surgeon" WTF Aisha - 20/11/2011 08:36:13 PM 1056 Views
Im a nurse - 20/11/2011 09:24:14 PM 944 Views
job that pay money - 20/11/2011 08:57:55 PM 970 Views
lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 20/11/2011 09:35:07 PM 970 Views
Re: lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 20/11/2011 10:29:16 PM 896 Views
Re: lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 21/11/2011 12:19:52 AM 1002 Views
That's a shitty situation - 21/11/2011 12:24:20 AM 861 Views
While it is true that the plural of anecdote is not data... - 21/11/2011 12:34:35 AM 804 Views
no I realize that - 21/11/2011 12:57:06 AM 767 Views
First of all, I worked at a dairy and have a friend who busses tables. - 20/11/2011 10:32:39 PM 939 Views
Thats a big problem, Aisha - 22/11/2011 06:42:18 AM 871 Views
Not in Michigan. *NM* - 21/11/2011 05:11:40 AM 517 Views
...I feel like you've been getting all of your information from TV News. This isn't about bills. - 20/11/2011 04:35:13 PM 957 Views
Better question is have you been to any of them? - 20/11/2011 06:42:02 PM 1044 Views
I may need to be more concise about something - 20/11/2011 06:53:58 PM 971 Views
Re: Better question is have you been to any of them? - 20/11/2011 07:00:30 PM 840 Views
Wait...you think there is a problem with courts treating corporations as persons? - 20/11/2011 08:33:43 PM 898 Views
You know what he meant. - 20/11/2011 09:32:59 PM 962 Views
Pretty sure the inception of corporations was not 1886. - 22/11/2011 05:45:31 AM 926 Views
You do realize... - 22/11/2011 06:01:47 AM 876 Views
Almost anything CAN happen. - 22/11/2011 07:43:31 AM 945 Views
You're right. I will hand you your ass on this one. If you give me gloves before touching it. - 23/11/2011 02:26:35 PM 953 Views
That looks a little shaky. - 23/11/2011 05:42:39 PM 958 Views
Funny how once we as a society used protesting for non personal gain ... - 20/11/2011 08:49:37 PM 1007 Views
I love this post. *NM* - 20/11/2011 09:06:49 PM 529 Views
Good post - 20/11/2011 09:13:12 PM 956 Views
Then why don't the unemployed ... - 20/11/2011 10:36:36 PM 868 Views
The UN is clearly out of touch with reality. - 20/11/2011 10:44:44 PM 952 Views
"There is no right to work"? - 22/11/2011 05:50:30 AM 948 Views
Also, do you even have a job yet? *NM* - 22/11/2011 06:02:11 AM 508 Views
Ikke ennå. - 22/11/2011 07:28:27 AM 962 Views
A simple no would suffice. *NM* - 22/11/2011 07:32:27 AM 558 Views
Well, that was little more than a simple no. - 22/11/2011 07:57:11 AM 864 Views
So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 21/11/2011 03:31:04 AM 962 Views
Re: So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 22/11/2011 04:15:30 AM 919 Views
I am also not Dan. - 22/11/2011 06:08:06 AM 814 Views
Re: So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 22/11/2011 06:47:25 AM 1005 Views
I don't think the protest is about being people feeling entitled - 22/11/2011 07:45:50 AM 1029 Views

Reply to Message