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Re: See, I can't be an atheist. Great Lord of Chaos Send a noteboard - 19/12/2011 04:25:06 AM
I'm not saying that a traditional religious text has all the answers, or that any person (living or dead) talks to God directly, or that God is something we can quantify and describe in the terms we do.

However, I cannot believe that there isn't something greater. The Kim Jong-il statement is just one in a LONG line of bizarre "coincidences" in my life. Dreams, predictions, etc., that come true with too much specificity for me to say "I'm an atheist". It happens too often and with too much regularity.

This also gets me back to my fundamental proposition: being an atheist is stupid. If you're right you don't benefit and if you're wrong you certainly may suffer. Although God is not a proven quantity, people around the world claim enough divine miracles, and I've personally experienced enough odd things, that stating affirmatively that there is no God is just as silly as stating that he is the inspiration for the Bible, or that he dictated the Qur'an.


Well, I certainly don't intend to get in a debate about atheism.
Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
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Kim Jong-il is dead. Would you become a fervent believer? Tom - 19/12/2011 03:37:28 AM 1618 Views
If I was a Christian, I'd pray that he would burn forever in hell. Great Lord of Chaos - 19/12/2011 03:47:52 AM 1025 Views
See, I can't be an atheist. Tom - 19/12/2011 03:53:55 AM 993 Views
I agree about atheism LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 04:19:02 AM 847 Views
It's an approximation. Vivien - 19/12/2011 05:40:05 PM 877 Views
no, I'm not saying that the sheer number of people alone is sufficient LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 10:13:09 PM 768 Views
Re: See, I can't be an atheist. Great Lord of Chaos - 19/12/2011 04:25:06 AM 847 Views
No, Pascal's Wager is stupid. Tim - 19/12/2011 03:09:42 PM 859 Views
You obviously misread my comments or ignored them. Tom - 19/12/2011 03:39:59 PM 870 Views
You're answering a different point to the one I was addressing. Tim - 19/12/2011 04:01:54 PM 792 Views
For atheism to be a tenable position, one must assume that millions lie about their experiences. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:11:53 AM 873 Views
Look, doesn't this go against your most sacred principle? jh - 20/12/2011 06:43:27 AM 843 Views
I'm pretty sure he's not saying it's undeniable proof. LadyLorraine - 20/12/2011 09:19:44 AM 794 Views
No, it doesn't. Tom - 20/12/2011 08:30:55 PM 754 Views
Re: No, it doesn't. jh - 20/12/2011 09:21:22 PM 797 Views
This militant atheism is somewhat amusing. Tom - 20/12/2011 09:48:57 PM 820 Views
... somewhat irrational at times too Isaac - 21/12/2011 01:22:54 AM 735 Views
Huh? snoopcester - 21/12/2011 10:47:06 AM 774 Views
That's somewhat unrelated to the intended point of the post Isaac - 21/12/2011 12:41:49 PM 789 Views
My "Huh?" was at your claim that any reasonable definition Kim Jong-il was a millitant athiest snoopcester - 21/12/2011 12:58:44 PM 773 Views
You're objecting to me calling the Military Dictator militant? Isaac - 21/12/2011 03:13:35 PM 815 Views
Is that the long way of saying you can't back up what you said? snoopcester - 21/12/2011 04:06:06 PM 745 Views
Okay Isaac - 21/12/2011 05:03:07 PM 839 Views
Your position isn't rational nor logical Helene - 20/12/2011 12:45:03 PM 819 Views
I never stated it was either. That's the problem with spiritual matters. Tom - 20/12/2011 08:43:46 PM 733 Views
How about a faith atheist? Palatine - 19/12/2011 04:28:59 PM 925 Views
Nevermind. It appears you answered that in your reply to Tim. *NM* Palatine - 19/12/2011 04:32:19 PM 443 Views
Re: See, I can't be an atheist. snoopcester - 19/12/2011 04:57:23 PM 887 Views
It's impossible to tell if worshipping a false god would be worse than worshipping no god at all. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:14:59 AM 691 Views
Sounds like you must be a modern-day prophet beetnemesis - 19/12/2011 05:24:24 PM 737 Views
Well, it's *possible* that he is. Vivien - 19/12/2011 05:49:34 PM 817 Views
Hah, fair enough beetnemesis - 19/12/2011 06:47:07 PM 775 Views
Idiocy. Confirmation bias doesn't explain away external phenomena. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:19:10 AM 855 Views
Well. Sareitha Sedai - 21/12/2011 01:49:36 PM 773 Views
I didn't forget about it. I was getting ready to give up on it. Tom - 21/12/2011 02:27:18 PM 730 Views
That doesn't really make sense. Sareitha Sedai - 21/12/2011 03:04:23 PM 662 Views
No, it does make perfect sense. Tom - 21/12/2011 06:17:02 PM 801 Views
Also, learn to use the subjunctive. It's "if I WERE a Christian..." Tom - 19/12/2011 03:54:20 AM 845 Views
The sad thing about that comment... Larry - 19/12/2011 04:52:57 AM 970 Views
I'm pretty sure there's plenty of middle ground between those two examples LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 05:31:13 PM 741 Views
Tom is right. Agnosticism is really the only rational posistion. Urza - 20/12/2011 04:17:08 AM 727 Views
Tom, I think this means you should take up ForEx trading. *NM* Urza - 19/12/2011 04:00:20 AM 383 Views
I might. I'm close enough to it as is. I just did some ForEx ISDAs for clients... Tom - 19/12/2011 04:03:11 AM 911 Views
I really am gonna miss Hitchens...a lot *NM* *NM* Roland00 - 19/12/2011 04:06:50 AM 388 Views
I will miss him, too...a lot. *NM* Tom - 19/12/2011 04:17:05 AM 376 Views
so, hypothetically...if I was to send you a list of people... LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 04:25:47 AM 804 Views
Let's not try that. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:21:35 AM 761 Views
I'm so ronery 김정일 - 19/12/2011 06:36:38 AM 855 Views
I thought you were asking if I believed in KJ-I, the Eternal Leader Praziquantel - 19/12/2011 06:55:08 AM 753 Views
The article I just read said he died on Saturday. Rebekah - 19/12/2011 08:58:17 AM 815 Views
Yeah, he actually died on a train Saturday morning before Tom made the comment. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:13:44 PM 337 Views
I'm not claiming causality. And, for the record, I first made the comment on Friday afternoon. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:25:07 AM 813 Views
You know what's really weird? Isaac - 19/12/2011 11:32:23 AM 815 Views
It has been there for 6 hours at this stage. Stephen - 19/12/2011 12:34:57 PM 890 Views
don't forget Mugabe (sp) Yunalesca - 19/12/2011 01:06:24 PM 725 Views
Zimbabwe basically is dust by now. *NM* Tim - 19/12/2011 02:52:51 PM 369 Views
They took it down, apparently. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:40:24 AM 348 Views
Not surprising, still in the revisions if anyone wants to see of course Isaac - 20/12/2011 11:06:05 AM 961 Views
Turns out Kim Jong really was il? snoopcester - 19/12/2011 12:10:15 PM 778 Views
all praise Madokami! *NM* Yunalesca - 19/12/2011 01:03:26 PM 434 Views
He's not dead-dead. Neither is his father. Just ask the North Koreans. Palatine - 19/12/2011 04:23:48 PM 802 Views
Re: He's not dead-dead. Neither is his father. Just ask the North Koreans. TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:15:09 PM 730 Views
That happened to me too. Nate - 19/12/2011 09:45:48 PM 861 Views
Re: That happened to me too. TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:48:36 PM 740 Views
Re: Legend Palatine - 20/12/2011 04:54:40 PM 737 Views
I wonder if they're going to embalm him? Tom - 20/12/2011 04:39:33 AM 671 Views
The problem with predictions that come true Vivien - 19/12/2011 05:28:24 PM 838 Views
I don't make a lot of predictions. *NM* Tom - 19/12/2011 08:18:53 PM 489 Views
Well you should start at least journaling the ones that you do make. Vivien - 19/12/2011 08:40:18 PM 802 Views
I actually now do tell my friends when I have dreams that have the "feel" to them. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:36:07 AM 868 Views
Just ones about old, sick guys dying? *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 19/12/2011 09:51:12 PM 340 Views
No, sadly. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:31:44 AM 676 Views
I can attest to the fact that this conversation took place on Facebook Saturday. TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:19:06 PM 747 Views
Yeah, I thought that reply seemed in the wrong place Isaac - 19/12/2011 09:28:17 PM 753 Views
Re: Yeah, I thought that reply seemed in the wrong place TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:31:00 PM 748 Views
Yes, TMJ, you also contributed in this case. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:38:42 AM 340 Views
I am not a dog to be petted! TaskmasterJack - 21/12/2011 02:42:55 AM 743 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! *NM* Tom - 21/12/2011 05:31:06 AM 432 Views
Coincidentally, I found this site today kHz1000 - 19/12/2011 10:57:36 PM 781 Views
Oh, I liked that site. I found it a few years ago. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:37:04 AM 340 Views
Jeez, I hope I never get on your bad side ironclad - 20/12/2011 12:06:54 AM 689 Views
Things did change for the better with Stalin's death. Vivien - 20/12/2011 02:51:12 AM 790 Views
Not for Stalin *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 09:49:39 PM 404 Views
eh, you can't have everything Yunalesca - 20/12/2011 11:08:36 PM 689 Views
So I guess you want me to destroy the voodoo doll I have of you? Oh wait...never mind. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:37:35 AM 333 Views
Not to downplay your awesomely uncanny coincidence... Avendesora - 20/12/2011 01:19:33 PM 763 Views
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