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I never stated it was either. That's the problem with spiritual matters. Tom Send a noteboard - 20/12/2011 08:43:46 PM
The nature of these experiences is such that we cannot test them, run experiments or replicate them, yet enough people have enough things happen that they cannot explain that we owe it to ourselves to consider that there might be something to them. My position is not in defense of a particular belief system or even in defense of affirmative belief of any sort, but that atheism discounts evidence solely because it cannot, at the present day and with our present understanding of the universe, be scientifically tested, replicated in experiments or used consistently to achieve results. At the same time, we know that many things that we now know about could not be tested or measured in antiquity because our ancestors lacked the understanding necessary to even be looking in the right place.

Perhaps some day my odd dreams can be explained with science, and the blurred line between life and death can be measured as some sort of energetic residue, but until that time, we should remain curious and open-minded.

By the way, you're quite wrong about physics saying that bumblebees can't fly. That statement is a myth, which has been discredited and which you can see if you look on the wikipedia page for bumblebee.

People used to say the same thing about ball lightning - it couldn't possibly exist and was the result of hysteria, delusion, etc. However, now scientists are able to create it in laboratory settings, even though we don't understand it very well.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

*MySmiley*
The Bumblebee-physics myth
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Kim Jong-il is dead. Would you become a fervent believer? - 19/12/2011 03:37:28 AM 1618 Views
If I was a Christian, I'd pray that he would burn forever in hell. - 19/12/2011 03:47:52 AM 1025 Views
See, I can't be an atheist. - 19/12/2011 03:53:55 AM 993 Views
I agree about atheism - 19/12/2011 04:19:02 AM 847 Views
It's an approximation. - 19/12/2011 05:40:05 PM 877 Views
no, I'm not saying that the sheer number of people alone is sufficient - 19/12/2011 10:13:09 PM 768 Views
Re: See, I can't be an atheist. - 19/12/2011 04:25:06 AM 847 Views
No, Pascal's Wager is stupid. - 19/12/2011 03:09:42 PM 859 Views
You obviously misread my comments or ignored them. - 19/12/2011 03:39:59 PM 870 Views
You're answering a different point to the one I was addressing. - 19/12/2011 04:01:54 PM 792 Views
For atheism to be a tenable position, one must assume that millions lie about their experiences. - 20/12/2011 04:11:53 AM 873 Views
Look, doesn't this go against your most sacred principle? - 20/12/2011 06:43:27 AM 843 Views
I'm pretty sure he's not saying it's undeniable proof. - 20/12/2011 09:19:44 AM 794 Views
No, it doesn't. - 20/12/2011 08:30:55 PM 754 Views
Re: No, it doesn't. - 20/12/2011 09:21:22 PM 797 Views
This militant atheism is somewhat amusing. - 20/12/2011 09:48:57 PM 820 Views
... somewhat irrational at times too - 21/12/2011 01:22:54 AM 735 Views
Huh? - 21/12/2011 10:47:06 AM 775 Views
That's somewhat unrelated to the intended point of the post - 21/12/2011 12:41:49 PM 789 Views
My "Huh?" was at your claim that any reasonable definition Kim Jong-il was a millitant athiest - 21/12/2011 12:58:44 PM 773 Views
You're objecting to me calling the Military Dictator militant? - 21/12/2011 03:13:35 PM 815 Views
Is that the long way of saying you can't back up what you said? - 21/12/2011 04:06:06 PM 745 Views
Okay - 21/12/2011 05:03:07 PM 840 Views
Your position isn't rational nor logical - 20/12/2011 12:45:03 PM 819 Views
I never stated it was either. That's the problem with spiritual matters. - 20/12/2011 08:43:46 PM 734 Views
How about a faith atheist? - 19/12/2011 04:28:59 PM 925 Views
Nevermind. It appears you answered that in your reply to Tim. *NM* - 19/12/2011 04:32:19 PM 444 Views
Re: See, I can't be an atheist. - 19/12/2011 04:57:23 PM 887 Views
Sounds like you must be a modern-day prophet - 19/12/2011 05:24:24 PM 737 Views
Well, it's *possible* that he is. - 19/12/2011 05:49:34 PM 817 Views
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Idiocy. Confirmation bias doesn't explain away external phenomena. - 20/12/2011 04:19:10 AM 856 Views
Well. - 21/12/2011 01:49:36 PM 773 Views
I didn't forget about it. I was getting ready to give up on it. - 21/12/2011 02:27:18 PM 730 Views
That doesn't really make sense. - 21/12/2011 03:04:23 PM 662 Views
No, it does make perfect sense. - 21/12/2011 06:17:02 PM 801 Views
Also, learn to use the subjunctive. It's "if I WERE a Christian..." - 19/12/2011 03:54:20 AM 845 Views
The sad thing about that comment... - 19/12/2011 04:52:57 AM 970 Views
I really am gonna miss Hitchens...a lot *NM* *NM* - 19/12/2011 04:06:50 AM 388 Views
I will miss him, too...a lot. *NM* - 19/12/2011 04:17:05 AM 376 Views
so, hypothetically...if I was to send you a list of people... - 19/12/2011 04:25:47 AM 804 Views
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You know what's really weird? - 19/12/2011 11:32:23 AM 815 Views
It has been there for 6 hours at this stage. - 19/12/2011 12:34:57 PM 890 Views
don't forget Mugabe (sp) - 19/12/2011 01:06:24 PM 725 Views
Zimbabwe basically is dust by now. *NM* - 19/12/2011 02:52:51 PM 369 Views
They took it down, apparently. *NM* - 20/12/2011 04:40:24 AM 348 Views
Turns out Kim Jong really was il? - 19/12/2011 12:10:15 PM 778 Views
all praise Madokami! *NM* - 19/12/2011 01:03:26 PM 434 Views
He's not dead-dead. Neither is his father. Just ask the North Koreans. - 19/12/2011 04:23:48 PM 802 Views
Re: He's not dead-dead. Neither is his father. Just ask the North Koreans. - 19/12/2011 09:15:09 PM 731 Views
That happened to me too. - 19/12/2011 09:45:48 PM 861 Views
Re: That happened to me too. - 19/12/2011 09:48:36 PM 740 Views
Re: Legend - 20/12/2011 04:54:40 PM 737 Views
I wonder if they're going to embalm him? - 20/12/2011 04:39:33 AM 671 Views
The problem with predictions that come true - 19/12/2011 05:28:24 PM 838 Views
I don't make a lot of predictions. *NM* - 19/12/2011 08:18:53 PM 489 Views
Just ones about old, sick guys dying? *NM* - 19/12/2011 09:51:12 PM 340 Views
No, sadly. - 20/12/2011 04:31:44 AM 676 Views
I can attest to the fact that this conversation took place on Facebook Saturday. - 19/12/2011 09:19:06 PM 747 Views
Yeah, I thought that reply seemed in the wrong place - 19/12/2011 09:28:17 PM 753 Views
Re: Yeah, I thought that reply seemed in the wrong place - 19/12/2011 09:31:00 PM 748 Views
Yes, TMJ, you also contributed in this case. *NM* - 20/12/2011 04:38:42 AM 340 Views
I am not a dog to be petted! - 21/12/2011 02:42:55 AM 743 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! *NM* - 21/12/2011 05:31:06 AM 432 Views
Coincidentally, I found this site today - 19/12/2011 10:57:36 PM 781 Views
Oh, I liked that site. I found it a few years ago. *NM* - 20/12/2011 04:37:04 AM 340 Views
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Things did change for the better with Stalin's death. - 20/12/2011 02:51:12 AM 790 Views
Not for Stalin *NM* - 20/12/2011 09:49:39 PM 404 Views
eh, you can't have everything - 20/12/2011 11:08:36 PM 689 Views
Not to downplay your awesomely uncanny coincidence... - 20/12/2011 01:19:33 PM 764 Views

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