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Re: No, it doesn't. jh Send a noteboard - 20/12/2011 09:21:22 PM
I do say people are idiots. That doesn't mean they're liars and cheats, too, or that everything they say or do is wrong as a result of their idiocy.


No, I am sorry, I never intended that to be the interpretation..

Furthermore, many of the people who, like me, have experiences that can't be explained based on our understanding of physics are not in the "idiot" or "cheat" categories.


Well, since nobody has those experiences that can't easily be explained with pure coincidence, I don't really get your point. People who believe that they do easily fits into the idiot category, so I am good.

You're being needlessly flippant in your response, too. I don't count it as a "win" that I mentioned Kim Jong-il and said it would be good if he died within 12 hours (give or take) of his actual death, and I am not stating that there is any theory surrounding it that can be proven in any way - in fact, I'm arguing the opposite and saying that I can't measure this scientifically but that it still has meaning. Your absurd statements regarding the eventual certainty of anyone's death are just glib inanities.


So, you are saying that something that isn't repeatable, isn't falsifiable, isn't sensible has meaning? That's just flat out ridiculous, and you know it. Now, I can understand arguing for the sake of argument, but this essentially boils down to the standard religious argument "anything can happen if _____ wants it to", which would essentially make existence of anything unprovable, and life as we know it meaningless because the rules might change at any point. Whatever.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world" - Calvin.
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Kim Jong-il is dead. Would you become a fervent believer? Tom - 19/12/2011 03:37:28 AM 1605 Views
If I was a Christian, I'd pray that he would burn forever in hell. Great Lord of Chaos - 19/12/2011 03:47:52 AM 1012 Views
See, I can't be an atheist. Tom - 19/12/2011 03:53:55 AM 980 Views
I agree about atheism LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 04:19:02 AM 837 Views
It's an approximation. Vivien - 19/12/2011 05:40:05 PM 865 Views
no, I'm not saying that the sheer number of people alone is sufficient LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 10:13:09 PM 756 Views
Re: See, I can't be an atheist. Great Lord of Chaos - 19/12/2011 04:25:06 AM 831 Views
No, Pascal's Wager is stupid. Tim - 19/12/2011 03:09:42 PM 848 Views
You obviously misread my comments or ignored them. Tom - 19/12/2011 03:39:59 PM 858 Views
You're answering a different point to the one I was addressing. Tim - 19/12/2011 04:01:54 PM 776 Views
For atheism to be a tenable position, one must assume that millions lie about their experiences. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:11:53 AM 862 Views
Look, doesn't this go against your most sacred principle? jh - 20/12/2011 06:43:27 AM 828 Views
I'm pretty sure he's not saying it's undeniable proof. LadyLorraine - 20/12/2011 09:19:44 AM 783 Views
No, it doesn't. Tom - 20/12/2011 08:30:55 PM 739 Views
Re: No, it doesn't. jh - 20/12/2011 09:21:22 PM 787 Views
This militant atheism is somewhat amusing. Tom - 20/12/2011 09:48:57 PM 807 Views
... somewhat irrational at times too Isaac - 21/12/2011 01:22:54 AM 722 Views
Huh? snoopcester - 21/12/2011 10:47:06 AM 764 Views
That's somewhat unrelated to the intended point of the post Isaac - 21/12/2011 12:41:49 PM 778 Views
My "Huh?" was at your claim that any reasonable definition Kim Jong-il was a millitant athiest snoopcester - 21/12/2011 12:58:44 PM 764 Views
You're objecting to me calling the Military Dictator militant? Isaac - 21/12/2011 03:13:35 PM 801 Views
Is that the long way of saying you can't back up what you said? snoopcester - 21/12/2011 04:06:06 PM 733 Views
Okay Isaac - 21/12/2011 05:03:07 PM 828 Views
Your position isn't rational nor logical Helene - 20/12/2011 12:45:03 PM 801 Views
I never stated it was either. That's the problem with spiritual matters. Tom - 20/12/2011 08:43:46 PM 723 Views
How about a faith atheist? Palatine - 19/12/2011 04:28:59 PM 912 Views
Nevermind. It appears you answered that in your reply to Tim. *NM* Palatine - 19/12/2011 04:32:19 PM 438 Views
Re: See, I can't be an atheist. snoopcester - 19/12/2011 04:57:23 PM 876 Views
It's impossible to tell if worshipping a false god would be worse than worshipping no god at all. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:14:59 AM 680 Views
Sounds like you must be a modern-day prophet beetnemesis - 19/12/2011 05:24:24 PM 725 Views
Well, it's *possible* that he is. Vivien - 19/12/2011 05:49:34 PM 806 Views
Hah, fair enough beetnemesis - 19/12/2011 06:47:07 PM 763 Views
Idiocy. Confirmation bias doesn't explain away external phenomena. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:19:10 AM 844 Views
Well. Sareitha Sedai - 21/12/2011 01:49:36 PM 750 Views
I didn't forget about it. I was getting ready to give up on it. Tom - 21/12/2011 02:27:18 PM 716 Views
That doesn't really make sense. Sareitha Sedai - 21/12/2011 03:04:23 PM 648 Views
No, it does make perfect sense. Tom - 21/12/2011 06:17:02 PM 789 Views
Also, learn to use the subjunctive. It's "if I WERE a Christian..." Tom - 19/12/2011 03:54:20 AM 836 Views
The sad thing about that comment... Larry - 19/12/2011 04:52:57 AM 960 Views
I'm pretty sure there's plenty of middle ground between those two examples LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 05:31:13 PM 727 Views
Tom is right. Agnosticism is really the only rational posistion. Urza - 20/12/2011 04:17:08 AM 716 Views
Tom, I think this means you should take up ForEx trading. *NM* Urza - 19/12/2011 04:00:20 AM 377 Views
I might. I'm close enough to it as is. I just did some ForEx ISDAs for clients... Tom - 19/12/2011 04:03:11 AM 899 Views
I really am gonna miss Hitchens...a lot *NM* *NM* Roland00 - 19/12/2011 04:06:50 AM 385 Views
I will miss him, too...a lot. *NM* Tom - 19/12/2011 04:17:05 AM 371 Views
so, hypothetically...if I was to send you a list of people... LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 04:25:47 AM 792 Views
Let's not try that. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:21:35 AM 748 Views
I'm so ronery 김정일 - 19/12/2011 06:36:38 AM 837 Views
I thought you were asking if I believed in KJ-I, the Eternal Leader Praziquantel - 19/12/2011 06:55:08 AM 737 Views
The article I just read said he died on Saturday. Rebekah - 19/12/2011 08:58:17 AM 802 Views
Yeah, he actually died on a train Saturday morning before Tom made the comment. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:13:44 PM 332 Views
I'm not claiming causality. And, for the record, I first made the comment on Friday afternoon. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:25:07 AM 801 Views
You know what's really weird? Isaac - 19/12/2011 11:32:23 AM 803 Views
It has been there for 6 hours at this stage. Stephen - 19/12/2011 12:34:57 PM 879 Views
don't forget Mugabe (sp) Yunalesca - 19/12/2011 01:06:24 PM 712 Views
Zimbabwe basically is dust by now. *NM* Tim - 19/12/2011 02:52:51 PM 365 Views
They took it down, apparently. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:40:24 AM 343 Views
Not surprising, still in the revisions if anyone wants to see of course Isaac - 20/12/2011 11:06:05 AM 949 Views
Turns out Kim Jong really was il? snoopcester - 19/12/2011 12:10:15 PM 766 Views
all praise Madokami! *NM* Yunalesca - 19/12/2011 01:03:26 PM 430 Views
He's not dead-dead. Neither is his father. Just ask the North Koreans. Palatine - 19/12/2011 04:23:48 PM 791 Views
Re: He's not dead-dead. Neither is his father. Just ask the North Koreans. TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:15:09 PM 718 Views
That happened to me too. Nate - 19/12/2011 09:45:48 PM 850 Views
Re: That happened to me too. TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:48:36 PM 725 Views
Re: Legend Palatine - 20/12/2011 04:54:40 PM 727 Views
I wonder if they're going to embalm him? Tom - 20/12/2011 04:39:33 AM 658 Views
The problem with predictions that come true Vivien - 19/12/2011 05:28:24 PM 827 Views
I don't make a lot of predictions. *NM* Tom - 19/12/2011 08:18:53 PM 484 Views
Well you should start at least journaling the ones that you do make. Vivien - 19/12/2011 08:40:18 PM 791 Views
I actually now do tell my friends when I have dreams that have the "feel" to them. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:36:07 AM 852 Views
Just ones about old, sick guys dying? *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 19/12/2011 09:51:12 PM 333 Views
No, sadly. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:31:44 AM 660 Views
I can attest to the fact that this conversation took place on Facebook Saturday. TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:19:06 PM 731 Views
Yeah, I thought that reply seemed in the wrong place Isaac - 19/12/2011 09:28:17 PM 741 Views
Re: Yeah, I thought that reply seemed in the wrong place TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:31:00 PM 735 Views
Yes, TMJ, you also contributed in this case. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:38:42 AM 335 Views
I am not a dog to be petted! TaskmasterJack - 21/12/2011 02:42:55 AM 731 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! *NM* Tom - 21/12/2011 05:31:06 AM 427 Views
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Oh, I liked that site. I found it a few years ago. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:37:04 AM 335 Views
Jeez, I hope I never get on your bad side ironclad - 20/12/2011 12:06:54 AM 677 Views
Things did change for the better with Stalin's death. Vivien - 20/12/2011 02:51:12 AM 777 Views
Not for Stalin *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 09:49:39 PM 397 Views
eh, you can't have everything Yunalesca - 20/12/2011 11:08:36 PM 679 Views
So I guess you want me to destroy the voodoo doll I have of you? Oh wait...never mind. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:37:35 AM 329 Views
Not to downplay your awesomely uncanny coincidence... Avendesora - 20/12/2011 01:19:33 PM 750 Views
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