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I quite agree with Joel on this point (frightening as that admission may be). Tom Send a noteboard - 16/01/2012 02:01:05 PM
The "bringing democracy" part has always been an afterthought. If you look at the rhetoric of the Bush and now Obama administrations, there is a clear emphasis on counterinsurgency and making sure the Taliban don't come back to power. Yes, part of the reason we say they shouldn't come back is because they aren't democratic, but the primary reason is, as stated over and over and over, that they would provide safe haven for al Qaeda.

The Taliban helped al Qaeda attack us on September 11. Much as we might like to disentangle them now if it allows us to get out of Afghanistan (and I'm not saying everyone sees the need for that, either), we know that Mullah Omar had appointed bin Laden to a very high post connected with defense. They weren't just offering safe haven to al Qaeda; they were actively working with them. Al Qaeda operatives had blown up Massood just a day earlier, clearing the way for the Taliban to take the last part of the country not in their control.

Iraq was touted as a mission of democracy FAR more than Afghanistan. Of course, I couldn't care less if we brought democracy to them - democracy can't be imposed from without anyway.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

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Am I the only one who doesn't care if the Marines piss on the corpses of Taliban? - 13/01/2012 03:28:08 PM 1633 Views
Eh, it makes our guys look like uncivilized barbarian hicks. - 13/01/2012 03:37:24 PM 807 Views
They're not? *NM* - 17/01/2012 09:52:28 AM 421 Views
Probably not the only one. - 13/01/2012 03:51:18 PM 965 Views
I agree. *NM* - 13/01/2012 08:11:57 PM 395 Views
Well said. *NM* - 13/01/2012 10:52:26 PM 363 Views
Excellent post. - 14/01/2012 04:23:32 PM 686 Views
well said indeed. *NM* - 14/01/2012 06:30:21 PM 423 Views
Actually, IIRC, we were told the Afghanistan war was important because of the Talibans threat to us. - 14/01/2012 11:18:28 PM 663 Views
Yes, that was part of it. Of course. AND we were going to help bring democracy. - 15/01/2012 12:42:57 AM 632 Views
If we have time, sure. - 15/01/2012 10:18:31 PM 765 Views
ooookay. *NM* - 16/01/2012 12:12:06 AM 374 Views
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Re: ? - 16/01/2012 12:22:39 PM 687 Views
I quite agree with Joel on this point (frightening as that admission may be). - 16/01/2012 02:01:05 PM 682 Views
Doesn't matter. - 16/01/2012 02:33:53 PM 681 Views
Your definition of "terrible thing" seems quite elastic. - 16/01/2012 07:21:12 PM 602 Views
I knew I had a good reason to hate you! - 16/01/2012 09:14:47 PM 687 Views
It took this post for you to realize that? - 16/01/2012 09:17:00 PM 668 Views
I am pissed at them - 13/01/2012 06:00:56 PM 966 Views
Yup. *NM* - 13/01/2012 06:07:10 PM 395 Views
Nope, you aren't. - 13/01/2012 07:08:06 PM 633 Views
I have a strong feeling that this was not the worst that's been done to those bodies - 13/01/2012 10:43:34 PM 743 Views
any army simply reflects the society it is created from - 13/01/2012 11:06:57 PM 806 Views
Agreed - 14/01/2012 12:37:45 AM 686 Views
You're far from the only one, but I don't agree with it. - 14/01/2012 12:17:31 AM 762 Views
Awful. Worst post ever. *NM* - 14/01/2012 05:12:41 PM 509 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 14/01/2012 06:28:25 PM 372 Views
moral? - 14/01/2012 09:53:01 PM 737 Views
I agree it was stupid to record it, and a breach of policy. - 14/01/2012 11:05:49 PM 623 Views
im just baffled - 14/01/2012 11:36:32 PM 647 Views
Well, in the future you can expect it. - 15/01/2012 02:54:59 AM 633 Views
This shows that you are a bit of a sociopath *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:08:39 AM 336 Views
But we knew that already. *NM* - 15/01/2012 11:18:02 AM 358 Views
You're still upset I called American girls prudes. - 15/01/2012 04:43:31 PM 568 Views
I had forgotten you called American girls prudes - 16/01/2012 10:22:50 AM 649 Views
as someone said on the radio recently... - 16/01/2012 08:41:25 PM 649 Views
They aren't conditioned to murder, much less "in cold blood" - 16/01/2012 09:15:54 PM 740 Views
surprisingly there really is no conditioning to kill - 16/01/2012 09:33:51 PM 671 Views
You used the phrase enemy combatant... - 17/01/2012 10:34:41 PM 637 Views
they are a problematic enemy - 17/01/2012 11:41:11 PM 959 Views
stop listening to idiots on the radio *NM* - 16/01/2012 09:16:42 PM 334 Views

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