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I quite agree with Joel on this point (frightening as that admission may be). Tom Send a noteboard - 16/01/2012 02:01:05 PM
The "bringing democracy" part has always been an afterthought. If you look at the rhetoric of the Bush and now Obama administrations, there is a clear emphasis on counterinsurgency and making sure the Taliban don't come back to power. Yes, part of the reason we say they shouldn't come back is because they aren't democratic, but the primary reason is, as stated over and over and over, that they would provide safe haven for al Qaeda.

The Taliban helped al Qaeda attack us on September 11. Much as we might like to disentangle them now if it allows us to get out of Afghanistan (and I'm not saying everyone sees the need for that, either), we know that Mullah Omar had appointed bin Laden to a very high post connected with defense. They weren't just offering safe haven to al Qaeda; they were actively working with them. Al Qaeda operatives had blown up Massood just a day earlier, clearing the way for the Taliban to take the last part of the country not in their control.

Iraq was touted as a mission of democracy FAR more than Afghanistan. Of course, I couldn't care less if we brought democracy to them - democracy can't be imposed from without anyway.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

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Am I the only one who doesn't care if the Marines piss on the corpses of Taliban? - 13/01/2012 03:28:08 PM 1895 Views
Eh, it makes our guys look like uncivilized barbarian hicks. - 13/01/2012 03:37:24 PM 1083 Views
They're not? *NM* - 17/01/2012 09:52:28 AM 545 Views
Probably not the only one. - 13/01/2012 03:51:18 PM 1221 Views
I agree. *NM* - 13/01/2012 08:11:57 PM 531 Views
Well said. *NM* - 13/01/2012 10:52:26 PM 498 Views
Excellent post. - 14/01/2012 04:23:32 PM 919 Views
well said indeed. *NM* - 14/01/2012 06:30:21 PM 546 Views
Actually, IIRC, we were told the Afghanistan war was important because of the Talibans threat to us. - 14/01/2012 11:18:28 PM 926 Views
Yes, that was part of it. Of course. AND we were going to help bring democracy. - 15/01/2012 12:42:57 AM 927 Views
If we have time, sure. - 15/01/2012 10:18:31 PM 1067 Views
ooookay. *NM* - 16/01/2012 12:12:06 AM 500 Views
? - 16/01/2012 01:17:37 AM 974 Views
Re: ? - 16/01/2012 12:22:39 PM 953 Views
I quite agree with Joel on this point (frightening as that admission may be). - 16/01/2012 02:01:05 PM 945 Views
Doesn't matter. - 16/01/2012 02:33:53 PM 967 Views
Your definition of "terrible thing" seems quite elastic. - 16/01/2012 07:21:12 PM 870 Views
I knew I had a good reason to hate you! - 16/01/2012 09:14:47 PM 994 Views
It took this post for you to realize that? - 16/01/2012 09:17:00 PM 914 Views
I am pissed at them - 13/01/2012 06:00:56 PM 1223 Views
Yup. *NM* - 13/01/2012 06:07:10 PM 557 Views
Nope, you aren't. - 13/01/2012 07:08:06 PM 876 Views
I have a strong feeling that this was not the worst that's been done to those bodies - 13/01/2012 10:43:34 PM 1018 Views
any army simply reflects the society it is created from - 13/01/2012 11:06:57 PM 1076 Views
Agreed - 14/01/2012 12:37:45 AM 937 Views
You're far from the only one, but I don't agree with it. - 14/01/2012 12:17:31 AM 1027 Views
Awful. Worst post ever. *NM* - 14/01/2012 05:12:41 PM 730 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 14/01/2012 06:28:25 PM 490 Views
moral? - 14/01/2012 09:53:01 PM 1028 Views
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im just baffled - 14/01/2012 11:36:32 PM 975 Views
Well, in the future you can expect it. - 15/01/2012 02:54:59 AM 889 Views
This shows that you are a bit of a sociopath *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:08:39 AM 511 Views
But we knew that already. *NM* - 15/01/2012 11:18:02 AM 493 Views
You're still upset I called American girls prudes. - 15/01/2012 04:43:31 PM 844 Views
I had forgotten you called American girls prudes - 16/01/2012 10:22:50 AM 950 Views
as someone said on the radio recently... - 16/01/2012 08:41:25 PM 928 Views
They aren't conditioned to murder, much less "in cold blood" - 16/01/2012 09:15:54 PM 1035 Views
surprisingly there really is no conditioning to kill - 16/01/2012 09:33:51 PM 918 Views
You used the phrase enemy combatant... - 17/01/2012 10:34:41 PM 924 Views
they are a problematic enemy - 17/01/2012 11:41:11 PM 1306 Views
stop listening to idiots on the radio *NM* - 16/01/2012 09:16:42 PM 463 Views

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