No one FORCED the officer in that episode to do ANYTHING.
Joel Send a noteboard - 03/02/2012 04:57:20 AM
Reality is though when you resist you are creating the situation that leads to violence. If I put you in a situation where you have to commit an act of violence am I responsible for that violence or are you? When you put the police in position where they are forced to use violence in order for them to enforce the law then you should be held morally and legally responsible for that violence. So if some of that pepper spray blows back in the cops eye you should be charged with assaulting a police officer since it was you who created the violent situation. If you are intentionally creating a situation where violence is the only method that can bring you into compliance then you have created the violence and I really don't want to hear any whining about how you forced the mean police officer to hurt you.
I really do not want to get between ya'll (though I probably should; I know moondog a HELL of a lot better than you do (clearly)) but must note that definition of "force" is WILDLY at odds with any accepted meaning of the word. A cop pepper spraying someone can add an assaulting an officer charge if it blows back on him?!

The idea passive resistance INITIATES violence is dangerous. If a vagrant asleep on a park bench refuses an officers order to move, is he "forced" to use pepper spray? What if the "vagrant" was shot three times while being mugged and only got to the park bench before collapsing into unconsciousness due to blood loss?
Some level of force is legitimate, even justified, in some cases. I still cannot decide if the pepper spray was such a case (though those cops surely have a written policy on the subject

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Upcoming Chicago G8 Summit Focuses Attention on Illinois First Amendment Infringement
03/02/2012 12:20:25 AM
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police officiers have nothing to fear fromvideo taping? Sorry Joel but that is pure crap
03/02/2012 01:01:51 AM
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There's a simple solution to this
03/02/2012 02:38:05 AM
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would you take a job where your ever move was captured on tape?
03/02/2012 02:59:46 AM
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I have had two, that I recall off the top of my head; SOME of us are NOT too good for some jobs.
03/02/2012 03:11:29 AM
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yes so we would end up with people like you as cops, thanks for making my point
03/02/2012 04:09:54 AM
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So if your point is invalid the problem is me; glad to see you are being objective here.
03/02/2012 04:23:03 AM
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If there were mobs of anger idiots looking set up situation where you could be defaimed
03/02/2012 04:50:36 AM
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If it makes you feel better, Rod Blagojevich agrees context ALWAYS exonerates ANYTHING.
03/02/2012 07:24:55 AM
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I'm not asking them to wear them when they go home for the day
03/02/2012 05:20:42 AM
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that is just Big Brother for thee but not for me
03/02/2012 05:45:02 PM
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This started from the banning of video taping things happening in public
03/02/2012 08:22:22 PM
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There are lots of jobs like that
03/02/2012 06:19:21 AM
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and how many of those cameras are controlled by activist looking to smear them?
03/02/2012 05:35:32 PM
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Isn't this already the case with many police officers / departments?
03/02/2012 01:02:25 PM
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Yes and no; in many cases they can and do turn off the cameras when it suits them.
03/02/2012 02:33:32 PM
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I have a job that does that. *NM*
03/02/2012 04:37:44 PM
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a lot of jobs monitor and area but very an individual to wear a camera *NM*
03/02/2012 05:47:59 PM
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Write a sentence that can be understood and maybe I'll reply with something relevant. *NM*
04/02/2012 04:57:27 PM
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i can't tell if you're making a point or just stupid....
03/02/2012 02:42:11 AM
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luck for my job isn't so hard. Judging you as stupid is an easy call
03/02/2012 03:46:12 AM
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No one FORCED the officer in that episode to do ANYTHING.
03/02/2012 04:57:20 AM
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The pepper spraying? That is the best you can do?
03/02/2012 02:54:43 AM
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OK I see the problem and it is rampant ignorance
03/02/2012 04:33:47 AM
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I think we could find a middle ground
03/02/2012 06:06:32 AM
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I agree there should be some middle ground
03/02/2012 05:26:33 PM
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Um, HELLO, it is a felony for journalists to tape police in IL, too.
03/02/2012 07:16:15 PM
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That is definitely the problem, though casting aspersions on everyone you can think of hurts, too.
03/02/2012 06:55:30 AM
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unfortunately most cops seem to want a double standard
03/02/2012 02:39:01 AM
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Ah; I did not realize the SCOTUS had overturned that.
03/02/2012 03:05:12 AM
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Well, public or private, one does not leave one's right to privacy at the door
03/02/2012 05:19:12 PM
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