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social security isn't taxable either *NM* Jim Send a noteboard - 24/02/2012 04:21:21 AM
They worked and paid taxes - often at higher rates - for 40-45 years. Their income is now limited to SS and investment distributions, which doesn't necessarily amount to much.

I asked you about this the last time you trotted out this statistic, and I don't recall a response.

You don't have to be poor to not pay income taxes, just not generate [payroll] income.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
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Why Joel is CRAZY - Nearly Half of All Americans Don't Pay Federal Income Taxes Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 04:43:15 AM 1848 Views
A not so hypothetical situation... wooly - 23/02/2012 05:46:44 AM 1246 Views
Your paying more money now than then. Lower rate but more money *NM* Urza - 23/02/2012 07:52:51 AM 740 Views
Accurate statement, but not a justification *NM* wooly - 23/02/2012 03:44:55 PM 614 Views
Re: A not so hypothetical situation... Macharius - 23/02/2012 02:39:43 PM 1343 Views
I don't know much about that. wooly - 23/02/2012 03:53:27 PM 1147 Views
Why the heck do you think the current tax system is skewed to the rich? Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 03:18:43 PM 1373 Views
That's a fair question wooly - 23/02/2012 03:52:08 PM 1257 Views
Once again, poor people have no money with which to pay taxes. Joel - 23/02/2012 06:23:07 AM 1394 Views
50% of America is not "poor" or too poor to pay federal income taxes..... Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 01:01:24 PM 1277 Views
It clearly is, if they're not paying taxes. Macharius - 23/02/2012 02:32:54 PM 1273 Views
Regarding the mortgage deduction..... Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 03:20:37 PM 1346 Views
You base that statement on what, exactly? Fervent desire that it be true? Joel - 25/02/2012 12:43:30 AM 1807 Views
2009 (the year cited for this claim) was an outlier because of temporary tax cuts and the economy. Dreaded Anomaly - 25/02/2012 01:14:01 AM 1581 Views
Interesting, but lacking the data I consider critical; FICA etc. should not be counted, IMHO. Joel - 25/02/2012 02:10:45 AM 1447 Views
It's a phrasing thing, permits more bullshit Isaac - 25/02/2012 04:41:06 AM 1394 Views
Maybe I am just playing the same game,but I find stats from "the other side" compelling in some ways Joel - 25/02/2012 10:36:40 AM 1867 Views
Well they are compelling in some ways, but they got you again Isaac - 25/02/2012 05:21:34 PM 1279 Views
They both used AGI, so there has to be something else missing. Joel - 27/02/2012 10:07:58 AM 1257 Views
You're operating under the same fallacy he does - that people should pay income taxes. Cannoli - 23/02/2012 12:05:52 PM 1467 Views
In much the same way Jacob - 23/02/2012 01:40:58 PM 1400 Views
Same argument re: fallacies Cannoli - 24/02/2012 02:52:17 PM 1255 Views
Was meant as a joke reply Jacob - 02/03/2012 06:30:15 PM 1556 Views
Joel is crazy, but I highly doubt that this is "why" Tom - 23/02/2012 01:36:37 PM 1451 Views
HA! HA! Very well played! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 03:49:35 PM 551 Views
I see your point, but not how it changes much in the conversation where we discussed that Joel - 25/02/2012 01:49:29 AM 1244 Views
Joel, get your head out of your ass, if that is possible Tom - 25/02/2012 07:02:34 PM 1292 Views
You kiss your momma with that ad hominem? Joel - 27/02/2012 09:11:33 AM 1451 Views
You mention this statistic all the time. Macharius - 23/02/2012 02:16:47 PM 1137 Views
Obviously, we are talking about the bottom 50%..... Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 03:22:43 PM 1122 Views
How do you account for retired folks? Macharius - 23/02/2012 04:18:59 PM 1352 Views
social security isn't taxable either *NM* Jim - 24/02/2012 04:21:21 AM 640 Views
Easy... he doesn't. Dannymac - 25/02/2012 02:56:05 AM 1087 Views
I wonder how much of that statistic is students LadyLorraine - 23/02/2012 02:22:58 PM 1376 Views
The number "paying taxes" should include dependents of those paying Floffe - 23/02/2012 02:39:21 PM 1332 Views
yah I read the link, but apparently I just didn't understand their explanation. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2012 05:40:54 PM 1144 Views
Federal taxes Aeryn - 23/02/2012 04:18:22 PM 1272 Views
Your figures are fairly unrealistic Isaac - 23/02/2012 04:54:44 PM 1427 Views
Not entirely. Tom - 23/02/2012 06:30:18 PM 1207 Views
Yeah I don't normally assume NY as a baseline Isaac - 23/02/2012 06:41:37 PM 1264 Views
It probably isn't. We even tax delivery fees, gardening services and other things with sales tax. Tom - 25/02/2012 07:03:46 PM 1249 Views
We don't tax transport of property either Isaac - 25/02/2012 08:16:53 PM 1283 Views
Places usually get around it with free delivery. A tax on a $0 item is still $0. *NM* Tom - 25/02/2012 09:12:22 PM 598 Views
On exempting SS income: Joel - 25/02/2012 02:30:43 AM 1195 Views
Is there any reason why one should exclude the other? Legolas - 23/02/2012 07:32:09 PM 1260 Views
Income taxes are not the only kind of taxes. 86% of Americans pay payroll or income tax. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 09:51:50 PM 1367 Views
And give the riff raff a reason to become involved in politics? Are you daft? *NM* Vodalus - 24/02/2012 05:04:51 AM 753 Views
25% of america is under 18, that means ~25% of the rest are not working or paid very little moondog - 25/02/2012 08:17:52 PM 1390 Views
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