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Some answers Narg Send a noteboard - 28/02/2012 09:05:35 PM
In answer to some of your questions at the bottom of your post, I am a mormon. My parents are mormon. My dad converted to mormonism while an adult. I became a believer while a teenager. I have to believe that I probably would not be a mormon if not for my parents, mainly because it is unlikely it would ever have been presented to me in such a way that I would have seriously looked into it, knowing the way my mind works. But I thank God for my religion.

There are some things commonly believed by mormons that I do not believe, but by and large I believe the doctrines of the church, including many that serve as one liners to illustrate how ridiculous mormons are. There is nothing in my life that I have given more thought to than my religion. I believe it has blessed my life immeasurably.

Regarding atheists, I served as a missionary in my church for two years and had the opportunity to speak to a lot of atheists about religion. While most athiests wouldn't describe atheism as a religion, most would readily admit that it is just their belief given their interpretation of the evidence. But religion and belief are not necessarily the same thing as you noted.

By telling them that atheism is a religion ;) Seriously, they really seem to get bent out of shape by that, based on the handful of atheists I have had discussions with. I just simply pointed out that atheism isn't a lack of belief, but rather a belief that God doesn't exist. You're still believing something either way. It takes just as much faith to not believe in God (something that can never definitely be proven) as it does to believe (something that can never definitely be proven). Either side can conjur up compelling evidence. So in the end, it comes down to what you believe.

And I just tell them it's a religion to get a rise out of them :P It's really more a belief than any type of organized religion. Personally, (changing topics here for a minute), I think religions are the downfall of mankind. I prefer to be more spirtual than religious. Yes, I believe in God and basic morality, but I rather not invent a bunch of nonsensical rules to live by and then try to force other people to adopt my rules. Which, actually, raises an interesting question. If you are religious, and really believe in your religion, is it because you were raised that way? If not, was there ever a point where you consciously decided you believed in the religion? Anybody ever change religions as an adult? If you are religious, is there any aspects of your religious doctrine that you choose to ignore because you don't believe in it?
A little learning is a dangerous thing.
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