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I meant that the act of choosing for someone else nossy Send a noteboard - 29/02/2012 08:54:02 PM
seems really rude and condescending to me. Not that there can be no love involved. I realize the two seem mutually exclusive, but I don't think they are.

As for your subject line, it took me a second to sort out what you meant by that . You can term it how you like. You have phrased it to more strongly bring out the negative implication of someone having been wrong. That is the lens you choose to view it through.

We obviously will have to agree to disagree. I don't love that you question the motives I stated, but then we don't know each other at all so I can't blame you. And I all but stated that I thought you were probably trying to be offended in order to find it really effing rude. So that wasn't fair of me either.

And I'm sorry that my viewpoint is uncomfortable for you. I suppose it has to be, in a disagreement. As I said above, I don't think there is no love involved (pure motive), but I do think it's not your place to make that choice. I appreciate the nice comments, and I apologize if I wasn't careful enough with my statements. I'm sure I could have been nicer about all of it.

As for the zingy quote, it is one of my favorites and I like to remind myself to not get offended when no offense is intended. It probably just sounded condescending quoting it to you. I apologize about that.

It is important to really weigh whether a situation is offensive, but I don't think we can always avoid being offended, or that we should try to. Some things are wrong, and feeling or causing "offense" is what makes us think about our choices. If we believe them firmly enough, we may still wish to do them, regardless.
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Do you know the best way to anger an atheist? Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 07:10:57 PM 1793 Views
Or, you could baptize one of them, posthumously. nossy - 28/02/2012 07:32:48 PM 1124 Views
Ooo that is hilarious *NM* Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 08:22:19 PM 403 Views
I can't think of any reason for an atheist to be annoyed by that. Tim - 28/02/2012 11:08:44 PM 890 Views
Well, for starters, it's really effing rude. nossy - 28/02/2012 11:31:36 PM 919 Views
It is an act of love. Narg - 29/02/2012 12:34:03 AM 948 Views
Everyone does it for that reason? (edits for clarity) nossy - 29/02/2012 10:27:02 AM 839 Views
I have some disturbing news for you... Narg - 29/02/2012 06:42:41 PM 887 Views
For anyone reading this: the guy above is wrong, and I am admitting that to you on his behalf, so nossy - 29/02/2012 07:15:38 PM 889 Views
Maybe without realizing it, you have articulated.... Jeordam - 29/02/2012 07:24:13 PM 750 Views
I actually find that conversation quite interesting. nossy - 29/02/2012 08:18:35 PM 879 Views
Re: I actually find that conversation quite interesting. Jeordam - 29/02/2012 09:07:06 PM 904 Views
I cannot possibly agree more with these two paragraphs of yours... LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 09:28:09 PM 915 Views
I'm surprised to see some of this. nossy - 01/03/2012 12:11:31 PM 762 Views
I find the Fall perhaps the most interesting part. Joel - 02/03/2012 09:05:29 AM 1267 Views
Re: I find the Fall perhaps the most interesting part. Jeordam - 02/03/2012 06:26:06 PM 1049 Views
There are 3 critical distinctions: 1) Ability to sin, 2) Awareness of sin and 3) Appreciation of sin Joel - 05/03/2012 04:08:36 AM 813 Views
You said it was really effing rude. Narg - 29/02/2012 08:18:40 PM 933 Views
I meant that the act of choosing for someone else nossy - 29/02/2012 08:54:02 PM 812 Views
Question snoopcester - 29/02/2012 07:58:32 PM 945 Views
No, I don't blame them or think they are fools. Narg - 29/02/2012 08:41:13 PM 839 Views
It is not an act of love to defy the beliefs of a loved one. LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 02:32:45 PM 994 Views
Rape? That is ridiculous. Narg - 29/02/2012 05:26:13 PM 906 Views
It's a bit of hyperbole, but not too far from it, imo LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 05:45:39 PM 927 Views
You are trying your best to not understand. Narg - 29/02/2012 07:12:57 PM 912 Views
I suspect that that is where a lot of the issue with it lies. Chas - 02/03/2012 01:33:43 AM 963 Views
one thing nossy - 29/02/2012 06:25:45 PM 931 Views
Precisely *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 06:59:15 PM 443 Views
Bad example Praziquantel - 05/03/2012 05:06:21 AM 988 Views
"Spiritual rape" might be going a bit far, but otherwise that sounds about right. Joel - 02/03/2012 08:06:48 AM 966 Views
Why would they be angry about that? Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:23:56 AM 1066 Views
Denying people rights since it was written 3000 years ago? jh - 28/02/2012 07:44:02 PM 851 Views
Isn't religion different than faith, though? Nate - 28/02/2012 07:44:07 PM 956 Views
Yeah that's pretty much what I said Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 08:21:56 PM 740 Views
Only if I get to be Pope. Nate - 28/02/2012 08:25:45 PM 866 Views
I love me my vices! Thanks Pope Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 10:14:27 PM 739 Views
Generally the same way you piss off anyone else Isaac - 28/02/2012 08:43:04 PM 873 Views
Great post. Narg - 28/02/2012 09:18:38 PM 852 Views
I find that the best way is to smile. Dannymac - 29/02/2012 06:23:50 AM 873 Views
Some answers Narg - 28/02/2012 09:05:35 PM 832 Views
that won't work on Buddists Yunalesca - 28/02/2012 09:21:48 PM 888 Views
On the other hand ... Nate - 28/02/2012 09:28:27 PM 726 Views
For some reason I always imagine Buddhists as the monk class on RPG games... *NM* Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 10:13:27 PM 448 Views
LOL same *NM* ironclad - 28/02/2012 10:31:38 PM 428 Views
That's always been my view of the issue. Half-assed non-religious types are just as obnoxious too. Cannoli - 28/02/2012 10:34:12 PM 1100 Views
Seems a got both a pat on the back and a scathing rebuke. I call that a good day Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 11:57:45 PM 1180 Views
Best way to anger an atheist, by declaring all atheists are the same. *NM* Roland00 - 28/02/2012 10:38:51 PM 591 Views
Telling anyone what they actually believe will work. *NM* Aeryn - 28/02/2012 10:51:56 PM 417 Views
This kind of works for many, doesn't it? Jeordam - 29/02/2012 06:22:33 PM 757 Views
I'm an atheist, and I consider it to be my religion. *NM* Aeryn - 28/02/2012 10:51:00 PM 402 Views
Common error number 1: "Atheism isn't a lack of belief, but rather a belief that God doesn't exist." Tim - 28/02/2012 11:18:23 PM 1035 Views
I second that DomA - 29/02/2012 03:46:15 AM 849 Views
Curiously, anger at statements of simple obvious facts is a hallmark of religious fundamentalism. Joel - 29/02/2012 10:27:29 AM 947 Views
What you're doing there is defining "atheist" and "agnostic" in a way that suits you, but... Tim - 29/02/2012 11:50:27 AM 772 Views
What I am doing is using the terms as they were universally used until about the time I was born. Joel - 05/03/2012 01:11:21 AM 913 Views
So what do you call this position?: Tim - 05/03/2012 08:43:20 AM 856 Views
I call them both agnostic, but the former leans toward atheism while the latter has no lean. Joel - 05/03/2012 10:53:02 AM 917 Views
See, there you go again, defining atheism in such a way as to make it sound ridiculous. Tim - 05/03/2012 11:21:17 AM 745 Views
Well, is unswerving belief a good thing, or not? Joel - 05/03/2012 11:57:05 AM 973 Views
What's happening nossy - 05/03/2012 02:24:41 PM 961 Views
Conversationally, DKs use of "atheism" at the start of this convo is the only practical definition. Joel - 07/03/2012 03:10:18 AM 1254 Views
Oh really? The guy who was doing it to annoy people? nossy - 07/03/2012 09:53:38 PM 875 Views
The guy who was doing it to annoy atheists based on the terms technical and popular meaning, yes. Joel - 11/03/2012 04:04:36 AM 733 Views
Whatever. nossy - 12/03/2012 12:39:24 AM 1163 Views
*NM* nossy - 12/03/2012 01:14:39 AM 424 Views
I understand that as "I completely agree." Joel - 13/03/2012 12:11:18 AM 1009 Views
I saw it as.... TaskmasterJack - 13/03/2012 10:44:37 PM 766 Views
My browser does not like your gif. Joel - 13/03/2012 11:32:06 PM 1024 Views
I have known very few people who "believe" their religion from rearing and actually understand it. Joel - 29/02/2012 12:08:01 PM 1107 Views
I have a few good quotes for this one. Dreaded Anomaly - 29/02/2012 03:29:22 PM 876 Views
I snerfled. *NM* Avendesora - 29/02/2012 05:12:32 PM 436 Views
I thought that was "best way to make an atheist roll his/her eyes at you"? *NM* Craig - 29/02/2012 11:05:21 PM 532 Views
Re: That's it? *NM* RomaVenkat - 01/03/2012 06:33:48 AM 491 Views
Re: Do you know the best way to anger an atheist? Nefarious - 02/03/2012 01:47:03 AM 797 Views
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