Read Norwich, Byzantium, Vol. I: The Early Centuries, chapters 17-18, and Byzantium, Vol. II: The Apogee, chapters 2-5; The Oxford History of Byzantium, chapters 6-7 (and see p. 189, which sums up the Schism quickly: "The rise of the Normans in southern Italy coincided with growing strains in papal relationships with both powers: with Germany, because of the minority of Henry IV and then the latter's hostility to Church reform; with Byzantium, because of the age-old dispute over ecclesiastical jurisdiction in southern Italy, coupled with controversy over doctrine, papal supremacy, and liturgical usage which erupted in a dramatic exchange of excommunications in 1054 that is conventionally seen as the beginning of the schism between the eastern and western Churches"); Eamon Duffy, Saints and Sinners: A History of the Popes, chapter 2; Norwich, Absolute Monarchs: A History of the Papacy, Chapter VIII.
I could continue this, but it's futile considering that not only are you an ignorant ass on this subject, but you just refuse to listen to anything that is said to you. And you wonder why people dismiss your rants.
I could continue this, but it's futile considering that not only are you an ignorant ass on this subject, but you just refuse to listen to anything that is said to you. And you wonder why people dismiss your rants.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Atheism: The Iconoclasm of the West?
- 10/03/2012 05:42:56 AM
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I think about as highly of athiesm as I do of christianity. *NM*
- 10/03/2012 05:54:20 AM
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I would chide you on that basis for having a love/hate relationship with God, but who does not?
- 10/03/2012 06:05:11 AM
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- 10/03/2012 06:05:11 AM
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If the divine made men...
- 10/03/2012 06:27:42 AM
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True, but by the same token, in denying our nature we deny the divine.
- 10/03/2012 06:57:40 AM
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I was actually just saying in Skype this is the first post you've made in a long time I've enjoyed.
- 10/03/2012 07:02:56 AM
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But you do comparable things all the time!
- 10/03/2012 08:35:31 AM
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You've made this analogy before and it's still a bad one, those aren't comparable
- 10/03/2012 03:43:08 PM
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You said what I was thinking far more respectfully than I probably would have.
- 11/03/2012 12:14:55 AM
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You're right and wrong.
- 10/03/2012 05:09:32 PM
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Re: You're right and wrong.
- 11/03/2012 12:28:25 AM
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Nope, Buddhists are explicitly atheist and also explicitly Ontologically engaged
- 11/03/2012 01:39:20 AM
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Actually, Buddhists are not explicitly atheist in the conventional sense of the world.
- 11/03/2012 02:42:36 AM
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I guess it is that old impersonalism that seems the great disappointment in most Eastern religions.
- 11/03/2012 04:48:54 AM
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What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? *NM*
- 10/03/2012 06:29:35 PM
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I think he's saying that most arguments used on behalf of Atheism actually come from the Bible.
- 10/03/2012 06:58:50 PM
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Basically what Dan said; atheism as iconoclasm sans icons (unless we count religion as symbolism.)
- 11/03/2012 12:46:52 AM
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What exactly do you mean by "The irreparable damage it inflicted in the Great Schism"?
- 10/03/2012 07:57:59 PM
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That Byzantiums iconoclasm was one of the many wedges between it and Rome that led to the Schism.
- 11/03/2012 12:27:05 AM
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Bull. Shit.
- 11/03/2012 01:54:07 AM
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I did not say it was decisive, but that it did irreparable damage to the relationship.
- 11/03/2012 04:23:43 AM
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Bull. Shit.
- 11/03/2012 04:30:08 AM
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It is not like I just pulled it out of my rear, any more than my HS history text or Wikipedia did.
- 11/03/2012 04:57:31 AM
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Bull. Shit.
- 11/03/2012 05:14:01 AM
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Irreparable damage is damage that cannot be repaired, not necessarily serious or fatal.
- 11/03/2012 10:34:57 AM
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Mierda.del.Toro
- 11/03/2012 12:36:59 PM
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1969 may be "sometime back" in Roman Catholic history,but is ~a millenium after the time in question
- 12/03/2012 05:47:11 PM
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You really must get steamed by anyone calling you out on your hyberbolic comments
- 12/03/2012 06:55:06 PM
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On the contrary, I am not the one screaming "bullshit" in as many languages as possible.
- 13/03/2012 12:07:54 AM
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ο κοπρος. του ταυρου.
- 11/03/2012 02:19:11 PM
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Very edifying; can you do Mandarin or Swahili next?
- 12/03/2012 05:47:23 PM
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No. Even English seems to be beyond your grasp.
- 12/03/2012 06:29:50 PM
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Citing scripture does not justify telling me to kill myself.
- 13/03/2012 12:08:02 AM
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Give it up already. You are wrong.
- 12/03/2012 12:53:37 AM
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I will do the former at least; pretty sure this "discussion" has reached rock bottom.
- 13/03/2012 12:12:46 AM
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More or less your last line
- 11/03/2012 01:37:42 AM
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That is a broader argument, but more consistent with iconoclasms established meaning.
- 11/03/2012 05:12:12 AM
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Would you include the iconoclasm that Joel cites in the canonical Judeo-Christian tradition as well?
- 11/03/2012 12:44:49 PM
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It is all Dans fault, really.