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Government cannot surveill/infiltrate/arrest violent white supremacists: That would be racist. Joel Send a noteboard - 08/08/2012 08:11:24 PM
You may (or may not) recall the Obama administration announcing it would do just that with violent far right groups (including, but hardly limited to, white supremacists) in the first months of his term, only to meet backlash from conservatives accusing him of creating a thought police or imposing martial law. Recalling headlines from years since, I would say that backlash successfully prevented any government action to protect the public from violent bigots.

The most practical advice for anyone not a straight male WASP is probably "Buy a gun and apply for a concealed weapon permit and/or move to a state allowing open-carry." Government cannot prevent even the dangerously deranged getting a pair of guns (so their imaginary friend has one, too, :)) leaving the general public no defense from inevitable attacks except returning fire. Remember, when Gabrielle Giffords said Sarah Palin putting a crosshairs on her district endangered her life, then got shot, the crime was Giffords "blood-libeling" Palin.

In America, shooting someone over politics is more acceptable than objections to BEING shot, so if someone comes after you with a gun shooting back is more valid than complaining. Far right gun advocates (rather than gun advocates generally) insist guns are the only defense from bigots and/or nuts with guns. If their words are unconvincing, their behavior, both in opposing laws to keep criminals and the mentally ill from getting guns and less savory behavior, is quite compelling.

A blind fool could have seen the Joplin arson coming, because the outcry against that Muslim center made criticism of the "Ground Zero Mosque" look tame by comparison. Just a few weeks ago the "Votemaster" over at Electoralvote.com noted the Democratic and Republican nominees for a MO US House seat were competing in campaign ads over which most forcefully opposed the Joplin religious center, notwithstanding the fact 2010 redistricting moved the center to a wholly different constituency. Apparently the point is now moot; the only silver lining is that neither candidate should be able to blame the other for the arson (though I would not be surprised if both tried) since both have vehemently and repeatedly condemned the center.
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Mosque Burned in Missouri ; Sikh Temple attacked...I hope this doesnt encourage copycats..... - 06/08/2012 09:05:00 PM 966 Views
Dreadful stuff. - 06/08/2012 11:51:11 PM 544 Views
It is heart breaking. - 07/08/2012 12:51:49 AM 577 Views
As much as I oppose racial supremacy movements... - 07/08/2012 09:42:36 PM 610 Views
If they advocate violence, I see no problem monitoring them. - 08/08/2012 08:22:20 PM 572 Views
Government cannot surveill/infiltrate/arrest violent white supremacists: That would be racist. - 08/08/2012 08:11:24 PM 594 Views
Joel Joel Joel, I see they still haven't found a cure for crazy. - 08/08/2012 08:39:04 PM 494 Views
Giffords made the allegation against Palin; feel free to tell her she was NOT subsequently shot. - 09/08/2012 01:33:50 AM 742 Views
You're seriously blaming Palin for Loughner? That's so absurdly debunked at every level *NM* - 09/08/2012 02:30:21 AM 266 Views
Again, I believe Gabrielle Giffords made that connection, about a year before it was proven valid. - 09/08/2012 02:50:10 AM 555 Views
Okay, that's bullshit - 09/08/2012 02:53:46 AM 583 Views
She suggested putting a crosshairs on her district endangered her life; that is now hard to dispute. - 09/08/2012 03:50:13 AM 541 Views
Easy to dispute. Did Loughner claim to have seen it? Did Christian Bale cause Colorado? - 09/08/2012 05:47:59 AM 520 Views
Has Loughner said much of anything? Did Christian Bale put a target on CO? - 09/08/2012 06:11:17 AM 547 Views
Do you realize how crazy you sound? - 09/08/2012 10:31:16 PM 541 Views
I love how you and rt keep calling me (and, by extension, Giffords, whom I am quoting) crazy. - 09/08/2012 11:00:35 PM 592 Views
If the shoe fits Joel - 10/08/2012 12:11:44 AM 493 Views
"If the shoe fits" is precisely my point. - 10/08/2012 12:18:17 AM 647 Views
Did you lose all ability to make raitonal arguments while you were away? - 10/08/2012 01:21:08 AM 637 Views
No. - 10/08/2012 02:09:26 AM 645 Views
Yeah, you really are - 10/08/2012 02:27:25 AM 682 Views
I think the shooting in Norway unhinged him *NM* - 10/08/2012 04:17:29 AM 263 Views
It certainly seems that way - 10/08/2012 04:27:32 AM 578 Views
Does she claim now that Palin was responsible for the shooting? - 10/08/2012 04:15:50 AM 524 Views
You believe whatever fits your world view reggardless of facts - 09/08/2012 04:49:39 AM 528 Views
If you insist on blaming the victim, do it to her face. - 09/08/2012 06:09:45 AM 587 Views
To play a little Devil's Advocate: - 09/08/2012 07:39:40 PM 833 Views
How would that work? - 09/08/2012 10:25:25 PM 721 Views
Re: How would that work? - 10/08/2012 12:15:53 AM 735 Views
I do not consider it directly responsible, no. - 10/08/2012 12:55:40 AM 717 Views
By that argument Obama is trying to get Romney killed - 10/08/2012 04:28:38 AM 559 Views
I read on Twitter where they raised enough money to pay for rebuilding costs in two days - 10/08/2012 07:39:31 AM 517 Views
That is good. - 10/08/2012 12:20:15 PM 536 Views
*like* - 10/08/2012 02:51:26 PM 557 Views

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