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Agreed, but ya'll continue doing it anyway. Joel Send a noteboard - 11/08/2012 08:24:09 PM
The republican party's biggest shift is toward the libertarian, on what issue has the GOP gotten 'far too out of hand'? We've stopped pushing for larger military spending, we're easing of foreign intervention, we've gotten a lot more relaxed on both drugs and gay rights, and we haven't moved an inch on guns or abortion while the country has shifted more pro-life and more pro-gun.

You "have not moved an inch on guns or abortion"? So Clintons Assault Weapons Ban is still law, and states requiring pre-abortion cervical probes is not? Thanks for letting me know the GOP is "more relaxed on both drugs and gay rights;" Proposition 8 and Chik-fil-A led me to believe otherwise. Eased off foreign intervention and military spending? How many weeks has it been since the GOP Congress tried to back out of the military cuts in last years eleventh hour debt deal? It seems more like Obama accepted the GOP position on foreign intervention and indefinite imprisonment without trial (despite repudating it during the 2008 campaign.)

Frankly, one of our political parties is insane, and we all know which one it is. They have descended from the realm of reasonableness that was the mark of conservatism. They dream of anarchy, of ended government.


That is no loony lib Dem, it is Reagan economic advisor Bruce Bartlett. JEB says todays GOP would not nominate his father OR Reagan. Most of your base considers TR as much a commie as they do his cousin, and Lincoln an unconstitutional traitor; which of the few great GOP presidents does that leave them to embrace? Yes, it is out of hand; the GOP is well to the right of anything even their own party has ever advocated.
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Paul Ryan is selected as Republican VP candidate Legolas - 11/08/2012 05:01:47 PM 2088 Views
Personally? No, I'm not voting Republican at all this year. LordPerrin - 11/08/2012 05:18:06 PM 1081 Views
Ya know that narrative of the right getting further right is pretty ridicolous Isaac - 11/08/2012 06:43:44 PM 1048 Views
it could possibly be the "all or nothing" budget fights and gay marriage among other things moondog - 11/08/2012 08:19:11 PM 1078 Views
Yeah, I forgot the Dems are very enlightened about gay marriage now for what? 2 Months? Isaac - 11/08/2012 08:59:17 PM 1146 Views
+1 - Great post! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:32:21 AM 631 Views
We're on a roll here Isaac. I agree with you again. everynametaken - 12/08/2012 08:18:32 AM 1090 Views
yet despite that, dems didn't put referenda and push bills discriminating against gay people moondog - 12/08/2012 07:55:38 PM 1153 Views
They certainly have, they've just done it less and less recently Isaac - 12/08/2012 09:39:53 PM 1035 Views
Fred Phelps is 82 Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:28:01 AM 974 Views
So is Pat Robertson *NM* Isaac - 13/08/2012 02:41:28 AM 613 Views
They're not enlightened at all. Tom - 21/08/2012 02:04:09 PM 1240 Views
Agreed, but ya'll continue doing it anyway. Joel - 11/08/2012 08:24:09 PM 1073 Views
I dunno, but from my perspective (and this is from one who doesn't follow politics closely) LordPerrin - 11/08/2012 08:32:43 PM 1298 Views
People say it so much it kinda grinds into the brain Isaac - 11/08/2012 09:17:16 PM 975 Views
Thank you for making sense. everynametaken - 12/08/2012 08:01:53 AM 1036 Views
voting third party is a good idea moondog - 11/08/2012 08:15:41 PM 1044 Views
I'm sorry, but anyone that votes for Obama after the past 3 and 1/2 years is a moron..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:30:47 AM 1000 Views
If you are proud of not voting, please shut up: The adults have a country to run. Joel - 12/08/2012 04:11:49 AM 1002 Views
Candidates have to earn my vote - I'm not a slave like you to the 2 party system. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:24:02 AM 1174 Views
Who said anything about the two-party system? Joel - 12/08/2012 04:29:36 AM 973 Views
No offense intended, but voting third party is as stupid as not voting. Aemon - 12/08/2012 04:42:28 AM 1222 Views
I strongly disagree. Joel - 12/08/2012 05:11:52 AM 1082 Views
I'm with Joel on this. There's a big difference between voting third party and not voting. Legolas - 12/08/2012 07:31:29 PM 1135 Views
as the saying goes "the lesser of two evils is still evil" moondog - 12/08/2012 08:06:20 PM 1062 Views
Nice asshatery. everynametaken - 12/08/2012 07:56:57 AM 1228 Views
Wouldn't you love to have a "none of the above" option..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:36:54 PM 991 Views
Or you could use a PR system and act like responsible adults. *NM* Stephen - 12/08/2012 05:47:14 PM 506 Views
Not voting sends no message but "we will let politicians do as they please." Joel - 12/08/2012 05:12:55 PM 1421 Views
Well there's a difference between not voting at all and not voting in one race Isaac - 12/08/2012 05:55:47 PM 1180 Views
Usually only in degree, not kind, though I mostly had the former in mind. Joel - 12/08/2012 07:27:54 PM 1137 Views
+1 - Good post. Joel is off the deep end, once again. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 07:42:23 PM 638 Views
I hope that most of the disenchanted Obama 08 suppoerters feel the same way *NM* random thoughts - 13/08/2012 11:27:15 AM 495 Views
Oh dear. Stephen - 11/08/2012 06:26:07 PM 1057 Views
I'm happy with it, I like Ryan Isaac - 11/08/2012 06:47:21 PM 1049 Views
What a shock. Legolas - 11/08/2012 08:18:35 PM 1184 Views
Most Republicans are fine with gutting Medicare. Joel - 11/08/2012 08:31:03 PM 1286 Views
Everyone with an ounce of common sense is okay with "gutting" Medicare..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:37:17 AM 1004 Views
The only thing bankrupting Medicare is unsustainable US healthcare costs eating 20% of US GDP. Joel - 12/08/2012 03:56:28 AM 1331 Views
Silly comment - 30% of Medicare is FRAUD.....and the program is fatally flawed. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:09:26 AM 1150 Views
So private insurance costs are really growing SIXTY percent faster?! Joel - 12/08/2012 04:24:49 AM 1148 Views
Medicare worked for 50 years and SS for 80 because most people were DYING before 65. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:29:26 AM 916 Views
Eligibility age for both must increase (SSs has, but not enough.) They are not "unsustainable." Joel - 12/08/2012 04:31:57 AM 923 Views
Medicare is 100% unsustainable in it's current format..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:36:13 AM 994 Views
[citation needed] *NM* moondog - 12/08/2012 08:09:44 PM 640 Views
Re: What a shock. Isaac - 11/08/2012 08:51:12 PM 1157 Views
ryan isn't going to help rmoney win wisconsin moondog - 11/08/2012 08:21:27 PM 1171 Views
Picking Ryan was an olive branch to the GOP rank and file. Joel - 11/08/2012 08:05:41 PM 1297 Views
definitely a bold pick but not going to help him enough in november moondog - 11/08/2012 08:27:59 PM 1100 Views
Since I forgot you asked Americans if it would change our votes: No, still voting Jill Stein (Green) Joel - 11/08/2012 11:07:12 PM 996 Views
Who cares? He's hot. Rebekah - 11/08/2012 11:53:42 PM 1259 Views
So are you a fan of David Cameron? Roland00 - 12/08/2012 12:12:50 AM 901 Views
Lol. Nice one. *NM* everynametaken - 12/08/2012 08:22:01 AM 549 Views
I actually said, "He's not hot enough." Aeryn - 13/08/2012 01:15:58 PM 972 Views
On the plus side, you need not fear Ryans failure to mention abortion and contraception. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:17:45 PM 1185 Views
Tigr - 13/08/2012 03:31:38 PM 1111 Views
Legolas a question for you, what is your opinion of George W Bush Social Security Plans in 2005? Roland00 - 12/08/2012 01:03:24 AM 1001 Views
Didn't know enough about them to have an opinion, honestly. Legolas - 12/08/2012 06:40:22 PM 1116 Views
Well Paul Ryan also had a social security plan in 2005 Roland00 - 13/08/2012 12:48:39 AM 1142 Views
Wonderful choice! Truly wonderful.....check the video. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:22:48 AM 982 Views
Nice video. Legolas - 12/08/2012 06:52:59 PM 1073 Views
Can you explain your fascination with Ryans ideas, please? Joel - 13/08/2012 04:08:35 AM 1049 Views
No, it doesn't change my opinion any Larry - 12/08/2012 07:50:21 AM 1151 Views
I hear even the DNC has rejected its TN Senate nominee. Joel - 12/08/2012 05:46:37 PM 1076 Views
Yes, they disavowed him Larry - 12/08/2012 08:00:33 PM 1080 Views
Apparently the TN Democratic Party agrees voters should write in someone elses name. Joel - 12/08/2012 08:34:46 PM 1041 Views
Does not work in the US Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:17:58 AM 1018 Views
We do not need most of the populace to cast protest votes, only most voters. Joel - 13/08/2012 01:33:41 AM 986 Views
Your distinction misses my greater point Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:51:26 AM 1034 Views
*shrugs* Vote absentee then. Joel - 13/08/2012 02:28:32 AM 1054 Views
I was going to vote Romney anyway, so no, it doesn't change anything. Tom - 12/08/2012 10:39:15 PM 1047 Views
But I'm guessing you're glad with Ryan? Prefer him over the alternatives? Or not? Legolas - 12/08/2012 10:49:35 PM 1194 Views
I disagree Roland00 - 13/08/2012 12:52:07 AM 1079 Views
Bloomberg has imploded Tom - 13/08/2012 07:12:56 PM 978 Views
Bloomberg has become a national laughingstock. everynametaken - 13/08/2012 08:13:24 PM 1064 Views
Not as much as either Obama or Romney, surely. Legolas - 13/08/2012 08:23:41 PM 1065 Views
Makes sense for you. You are Romney's target audience. Aeryn - 13/08/2012 01:19:26 PM 1002 Views
What should Obama have done? Tom - 13/08/2012 07:31:23 PM 1047 Views
And how much of that do you expect from Romney? Joel - 14/08/2012 10:21:33 AM 1368 Views
Certainly more than from Obama. Tom - 16/08/2012 12:00:19 AM 969 Views
Mmm, Objectivism. Another reason for me to vote Obama. Ghavrel - 12/08/2012 11:00:34 PM 1151 Views
But doesn't he say he detests Rand? Stephen - 12/08/2012 11:53:47 PM 901 Views
No he doesn't disavow Ayn Rand, he still believes in her Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:15:34 AM 1067 Views
Good to know. Stephen - 13/08/2012 08:42:22 AM 1073 Views
that is pretty mild of you campare it to the radical influence in Obama's life *NM* random thoughts - 13/08/2012 11:35:52 AM 610 Views
Ah, the classic "it is OK because their guy rapes puppies, too, even though he does not" defense. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:23:29 PM 923 Views
Obama doesn't have a history of openly endorsing the views of said radicals. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:32:52 AM 649 Views
he has a much closer and more personal realtionship with radicals than Romney or Ryan *NM* random thoughts - 20/08/2012 03:54:17 AM 609 Views
Link to audio of Paul Ryans address to The Atlas Society. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:37:27 AM 1196 Views
Or you could have just read my response which posted prior to yours Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:45:07 PM 986 Views
Sorry, I completely missed your link. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:09:11 PM 1086 Views
Don't get me wrong Roland00 - 13/08/2012 12:53:10 AM 1043 Views
Actually I believe he promised to vote for Romney if I did Isaac - 13/08/2012 03:48:35 AM 1150 Views
What an amusing retrospective. Joel - 13/08/2012 04:20:02 AM 1194 Views
Uh... how exactly did you get to spending and budget timelines? Isaac - 13/08/2012 04:59:45 AM 988 Views
Tangentially, of course. Joel - 13/08/2012 05:08:18 AM 1016 Views
I tried reading it again, but my eyes glazed over when you started babbling about lesbian covens. Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:30:03 AM 937 Views
It was a hyperbolic reference to the extreme left (one stolen from Matt Groening, btw.) Joel - 14/08/2012 10:12:09 AM 1006 Views
Interesting. Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 11:34:30 AM 1098 Views
They have a pill for that now. Joel - 14/08/2012 01:14:39 PM 1129 Views
I'm pretty sure the solution is you learning elementary composition. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/08/2012 11:33:57 PM 635 Views
Your willful reading incomprehension is neither my fault nor problem. Joel - 16/08/2012 07:40:46 PM 1093 Views
I don't think you can succinctly do anything. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/08/2012 09:33:38 PM 640 Views
I just did. Joel - 16/08/2012 09:36:21 PM 1051 Views
EDIT: ACK! Hoist on my own petard! Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:25:27 AM 1002 Views
Disillusioned, sure. But I don't recall ever considering voting Republican. Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:31:17 AM 1080 Views
No birth control, no right to choose, no planned parenthood? ironclad - 13/08/2012 01:58:51 PM 952 Views
They are really doing a public service that way. *NM* Stephen - 13/08/2012 02:26:39 PM 478 Views
I saw a theory just after the announcement speculating Ryan was chosen as a scapegoat. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:33:56 PM 1092 Views
I agree with your statements nossy - 14/08/2012 12:53:41 AM 1144 Views
It's mostly nonsense Isaac - 14/08/2012 04:46:11 AM 1070 Views
Well nossy - 14/08/2012 02:54:06 PM 1276 Views
'Nonsense' refers to the thing said about the religious right by the media Isaac - 14/08/2012 04:01:47 PM 1293 Views
I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. nossy - 14/08/2012 06:30:23 PM 1333 Views
Re: I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. Isaac - 15/08/2012 01:45:59 AM 1022 Views
I have to keep this short, because I am on the iPad. nossy - 15/08/2012 05:38:48 AM 982 Views
Triple reply chain is usually a good point for the trim-edit anyway Isaac - 15/08/2012 05:27:20 PM 1161 Views
Or shows it's time to quit. nossy - 15/08/2012 10:20:17 PM 1481 Views
Agreed Isaac - 15/08/2012 10:54:05 PM 936 Views
The question, as for Tom, is what you believe Romney would improve for small businesses. Joel - 14/08/2012 01:38:29 PM 1108 Views
I am aware of that, thank you. And I don't distill my choice down to small business, either. nossy - 14/08/2012 02:24:24 PM 1150 Views
I see your point, but... ironclad - 14/08/2012 02:30:22 PM 924 Views
Well nossy - 14/08/2012 03:09:18 PM 1115 Views
Are you really going to let Obama con you into voting for him again? Tom - 21/08/2012 02:00:06 PM 961 Views
I honestly haven't decided. nossy - 21/08/2012 04:13:44 PM 1278 Views
Expanding our perspective does not improve our options much, sadly. Joel - 14/08/2012 04:23:48 PM 1060 Views
None of that is that important. everynametaken - 14/08/2012 08:53:10 PM 1101 Views
Agreed. *NM* Macharius - 15/08/2012 02:21:55 PM 623 Views
Bullshit Tom - 21/08/2012 01:46:42 PM 1122 Views
This makes me more likely to vote R this year. Macharius - 15/08/2012 02:31:06 PM 1012 Views
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