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People say it so much it kinda grinds into the brain Isaac Send a noteboard - 11/08/2012 09:17:16 PM
The republican party's biggest shift is toward the libertarian, on what issue has the GOP gotten 'far too out of hand'? We've stopped pushing for larger military spending, we're easing of foreign intervention, we've gotten a lot more relaxed on both drugs and gay rights, and we haven't moved an inch on guns or abortion while the country has shifted more pro-life and more pro-gun.

It just seems that they've gone to far to the Super Christian Evangelical thing. I'm not saying Christianity is a bad thing- I'm one- but it seems that it's taking over a lot of their rhetoric on gay rights, the environment, abortion, etc. Once again, I'm no political expert, so I'm not gonna pretend that I know what I'm talking about.


One of the most influential groups in the GOP are the Objectivists and general sympathizers to that POV, it's a group of atheists and agnostics who've had a fairly comfortable home with the GOP for decades. Now the Christian Right did have a lot of push in the 90s, they have since lost much of that cohesion and influence, along with the NEoCon hawks. Currently the party influence has shifted mostly to put the libertarian's back in ascendance restoring the Fusionist Tripod of the late 70's to 80s but remains home to dozens of factions - the GOP has very, very lively internal debate we just present a solidified front as much as possible - I've been an active party official for years now and very bluntly open about my views on legalizing gay marriage and drawing back a bit on drugs and I've never gotten even a negative comment about it. Now abortion and gun rights, those we really have become more adamant on expecting the leadership to back, but the party as a whole has remained pretty consistent on the issue.

Don't buy into the BS, platforms and major speeches are public record, the GOP hasn't shifted further to the right, rather its eased up on several things that the Dems have also eased up on, these are generational issues more than anything else and republicans are older on average then democrats, the median republican primary voter is 60. Now the dems do, in my opinion, have the moral high ground on gay rights, but really only in the sense that they moved their a it faster because they could. They moved quite slowly from an ideological viewpoint, simply waiting till - as their younger median age permitted - enough dems favored it to allow a candidate to run. It's not like the GOP has gotten harsher on gay rights, 20 years ago the average Dem view on the matter was to the 'right' of the GOP's current one by a good margin.

Now many of us do see ourselves having shifted back to the right, but we see it as restoring the concept that hierachal power structures should always try to place control and authority over a given thing at the lowest level that reasonably functions. Hence, garbage pick up shouldn't be run by the county over the city without very clear and solid benefits, police don't need to be state run but some state level coordination can be appropriate, as can a federal level one, but should never exist in a given niche if a state can fill that role as well. This is what you see the GOP trying to shift towards, if there is any distinct trend to mobility, more localized control.
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Paul Ryan is selected as Republican VP candidate - 11/08/2012 05:01:47 PM 1990 Views
Personally? No, I'm not voting Republican at all this year. - 11/08/2012 05:18:06 PM 979 Views
Ya know that narrative of the right getting further right is pretty ridicolous - 11/08/2012 06:43:44 PM 942 Views
it could possibly be the "all or nothing" budget fights and gay marriage among other things - 11/08/2012 08:19:11 PM 987 Views
Yeah, I forgot the Dems are very enlightened about gay marriage now for what? 2 Months? - 11/08/2012 08:59:17 PM 1055 Views
+1 - Great post! *NM* - 12/08/2012 04:32:21 AM 575 Views
We're on a roll here Isaac. I agree with you again. - 12/08/2012 08:18:32 AM 980 Views
yet despite that, dems didn't put referenda and push bills discriminating against gay people - 12/08/2012 07:55:38 PM 1057 Views
They certainly have, they've just done it less and less recently - 12/08/2012 09:39:53 PM 936 Views
Fred Phelps is 82 - 13/08/2012 01:28:01 AM 877 Views
So is Pat Robertson *NM* - 13/08/2012 02:41:28 AM 551 Views
They're not enlightened at all. - 21/08/2012 02:04:09 PM 1142 Views
Agreed, but ya'll continue doing it anyway. - 11/08/2012 08:24:09 PM 967 Views
I dunno, but from my perspective (and this is from one who doesn't follow politics closely) - 11/08/2012 08:32:43 PM 1176 Views
People say it so much it kinda grinds into the brain - 11/08/2012 09:17:16 PM 885 Views
Thank you for making sense. - 12/08/2012 08:01:53 AM 946 Views
voting third party is a good idea - 11/08/2012 08:15:41 PM 937 Views
I'm sorry, but anyone that votes for Obama after the past 3 and 1/2 years is a moron..... - 12/08/2012 03:30:47 AM 886 Views
If you are proud of not voting, please shut up: The adults have a country to run. - 12/08/2012 04:11:49 AM 910 Views
Candidates have to earn my vote - I'm not a slave like you to the 2 party system. - 12/08/2012 04:24:02 AM 1056 Views
Who said anything about the two-party system? - 12/08/2012 04:29:36 AM 872 Views
No offense intended, but voting third party is as stupid as not voting. - 12/08/2012 04:42:28 AM 1129 Views
I strongly disagree. - 12/08/2012 05:11:52 AM 985 Views
as the saying goes "the lesser of two evils is still evil" - 12/08/2012 08:06:20 PM 964 Views
Nice asshatery. - 12/08/2012 07:56:57 AM 1125 Views
Wouldn't you love to have a "none of the above" option..... - 12/08/2012 03:36:54 PM 888 Views
Or you could use a PR system and act like responsible adults. *NM* - 12/08/2012 05:47:14 PM 458 Views
Oh dear. - 11/08/2012 06:26:07 PM 933 Views
I'm happy with it, I like Ryan - 11/08/2012 06:47:21 PM 952 Views
What a shock. - 11/08/2012 08:18:35 PM 1086 Views
Re: What a shock. - 11/08/2012 08:51:12 PM 1054 Views
ryan isn't going to help rmoney win wisconsin - 11/08/2012 08:21:27 PM 1063 Views
Picking Ryan was an olive branch to the GOP rank and file. - 11/08/2012 08:05:41 PM 1179 Views
definitely a bold pick but not going to help him enough in november - 11/08/2012 08:27:59 PM 1004 Views
Who cares? He's hot. - 11/08/2012 11:53:42 PM 1144 Views
So are you a fan of David Cameron? - 12/08/2012 12:12:50 AM 807 Views
Lol. Nice one. *NM* - 12/08/2012 08:22:01 AM 503 Views
I actually said, "He's not hot enough." - 13/08/2012 01:15:58 PM 879 Views
- 13/08/2012 03:31:38 PM 1016 Views
Wonderful choice! Truly wonderful.....check the video. - 12/08/2012 03:22:48 AM 885 Views
Nice video. - 12/08/2012 06:52:59 PM 975 Views
Can you explain your fascination with Ryans ideas, please? - 13/08/2012 04:08:35 AM 946 Views
No, it doesn't change my opinion any - 12/08/2012 07:50:21 AM 1054 Views
I hear even the DNC has rejected its TN Senate nominee. - 12/08/2012 05:46:37 PM 970 Views
Yes, they disavowed him - 12/08/2012 08:00:33 PM 974 Views
Does not work in the US - 13/08/2012 01:17:58 AM 925 Views
We do not need most of the populace to cast protest votes, only most voters. - 13/08/2012 01:33:41 AM 884 Views
Your distinction misses my greater point - 13/08/2012 01:51:26 AM 924 Views
*shrugs* Vote absentee then. - 13/08/2012 02:28:32 AM 964 Views
I was going to vote Romney anyway, so no, it doesn't change anything. - 12/08/2012 10:39:15 PM 957 Views
But I'm guessing you're glad with Ryan? Prefer him over the alternatives? Or not? - 12/08/2012 10:49:35 PM 1100 Views
I disagree - 13/08/2012 12:52:07 AM 973 Views
Bloomberg has imploded - 13/08/2012 07:12:56 PM 885 Views
Bloomberg has become a national laughingstock. - 13/08/2012 08:13:24 PM 965 Views
Not as much as either Obama or Romney, surely. - 13/08/2012 08:23:41 PM 961 Views
Makes sense for you. You are Romney's target audience. - 13/08/2012 01:19:26 PM 899 Views
What should Obama have done? - 13/08/2012 07:31:23 PM 946 Views
And how much of that do you expect from Romney? - 14/08/2012 10:21:33 AM 1272 Views
Certainly more than from Obama. - 16/08/2012 12:00:19 AM 874 Views
Mmm, Objectivism. Another reason for me to vote Obama. - 12/08/2012 11:00:34 PM 1050 Views
But doesn't he say he detests Rand? - 12/08/2012 11:53:47 PM 796 Views
Link to audio of Paul Ryans address to The Atlas Society. - 13/08/2012 03:37:27 AM 1093 Views
Or you could have just read my response which posted prior to yours - 13/08/2012 01:45:07 PM 886 Views
Sorry, I completely missed your link. - 13/08/2012 03:09:11 PM 991 Views
Don't get me wrong - 13/08/2012 12:53:10 AM 904 Views
Actually I believe he promised to vote for Romney if I did - 13/08/2012 03:48:35 AM 1055 Views
What an amusing retrospective. - 13/08/2012 04:20:02 AM 1058 Views
Uh... how exactly did you get to spending and budget timelines? - 13/08/2012 04:59:45 AM 891 Views
Tangentially, of course. - 13/08/2012 05:08:18 AM 921 Views
I tried reading it again, but my eyes glazed over when you started babbling about lesbian covens. - 14/08/2012 12:30:03 AM 837 Views
It was a hyperbolic reference to the extreme left (one stolen from Matt Groening, btw.) - 14/08/2012 10:12:09 AM 899 Views
Interesting. - 14/08/2012 11:34:30 AM 984 Views
They have a pill for that now. - 14/08/2012 01:14:39 PM 1033 Views
I'm pretty sure the solution is you learning elementary composition. *NM* - 15/08/2012 11:33:57 PM 586 Views
Your willful reading incomprehension is neither my fault nor problem. - 16/08/2012 07:40:46 PM 1000 Views
I don't think you can succinctly do anything. *NM* - 16/08/2012 09:33:38 PM 588 Views
I just did. - 16/08/2012 09:36:21 PM 958 Views
EDIT: ACK! Hoist on my own petard! - 14/08/2012 12:25:27 AM 903 Views
No birth control, no right to choose, no planned parenthood? - 13/08/2012 01:58:51 PM 826 Views
They are really doing a public service that way. *NM* - 13/08/2012 02:26:39 PM 427 Views
I agree with your statements - 14/08/2012 12:53:41 AM 1044 Views
It's mostly nonsense - 14/08/2012 04:46:11 AM 975 Views
Well - 14/08/2012 02:54:06 PM 1177 Views
'Nonsense' refers to the thing said about the religious right by the media - 14/08/2012 04:01:47 PM 1192 Views
I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. - 14/08/2012 06:30:23 PM 1226 Views
Re: I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. - 15/08/2012 01:45:59 AM 928 Views
I have to keep this short, because I am on the iPad. - 15/08/2012 05:38:48 AM 888 Views
Triple reply chain is usually a good point for the trim-edit anyway - 15/08/2012 05:27:20 PM 1061 Views
Or shows it's time to quit. - 15/08/2012 10:20:17 PM 1354 Views
Agreed - 15/08/2012 10:54:05 PM 840 Views
The question, as for Tom, is what you believe Romney would improve for small businesses. - 14/08/2012 01:38:29 PM 1005 Views
I am aware of that, thank you. And I don't distill my choice down to small business, either. - 14/08/2012 02:24:24 PM 1043 Views
I see your point, but... - 14/08/2012 02:30:22 PM 821 Views
Well - 14/08/2012 03:09:18 PM 1014 Views
Are you really going to let Obama con you into voting for him again? - 21/08/2012 02:00:06 PM 857 Views
I honestly haven't decided. - 21/08/2012 04:13:44 PM 1190 Views
None of that is that important. - 14/08/2012 08:53:10 PM 999 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 15/08/2012 02:21:55 PM 553 Views
Bullshit - 21/08/2012 01:46:42 PM 1010 Views
This makes me more likely to vote R this year. - 15/08/2012 02:31:06 PM 911 Views

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