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Expanding our perspective does not improve our options much, sadly. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/08/2012 04:23:48 PM
Even if it does much to explain the length of my posts. ;) Running a nation of 310 million is necessarily a nuanced exercise. Too bad nuance does not win elections.
Just providing Jens with a viewpoint. I would like to say "they don't even show support for my most basic rights? Fuck 'em." But I can't, for my example and other reasons (obviously).

It comes down to how much one can reasonably expect of an anti-government government, and the only reasonable answer is "nothing." If Republicans were calling for LESS (rather than NO) spending, with increased oversight and accountability to reduce fraud and waste, that would be supportable, even laudable. However, that is not what is on the table; the two party system is offering another all-or-nothing choice between expanded government or none.

Best case scenario is probably Obamas insistence on industry subsidies instead of the "shovel ready" jobs he promised (combined with GOP Congressional obstructionism) slowing government spending and trimming the deficit without doing anything to stimulate the economy. Remember, we got an $800 billion stimulus despite Obamas advisors telling him full recovery required $1+ trillion, solely because he did not want to let Republicans say he added a trillion dollars to the deficit (how did that work out? ;))

That is not an appealing choice, but Romneys stated plan to raise middle and lower class taxes to pay for a millionaire tax cut is worse. Even if it actually created trickle-down jobs (which would be a historic first,) the wages of new employees would just be taxed out of existence to pay for it. It is not even about no taxes vs. higher taxes any more, but whose should increase. Apart from that, the GOPs only plan for government is to eliminate what exists—except in the bedroom and doctors office.
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Paul Ryan is selected as Republican VP candidate - 11/08/2012 05:01:47 PM 2087 Views
Personally? No, I'm not voting Republican at all this year. - 11/08/2012 05:18:06 PM 1079 Views
Ya know that narrative of the right getting further right is pretty ridicolous - 11/08/2012 06:43:44 PM 1047 Views
it could possibly be the "all or nothing" budget fights and gay marriage among other things - 11/08/2012 08:19:11 PM 1077 Views
Yeah, I forgot the Dems are very enlightened about gay marriage now for what? 2 Months? - 11/08/2012 08:59:17 PM 1144 Views
+1 - Great post! *NM* - 12/08/2012 04:32:21 AM 631 Views
We're on a roll here Isaac. I agree with you again. - 12/08/2012 08:18:32 AM 1090 Views
yet despite that, dems didn't put referenda and push bills discriminating against gay people - 12/08/2012 07:55:38 PM 1152 Views
They certainly have, they've just done it less and less recently - 12/08/2012 09:39:53 PM 1035 Views
Fred Phelps is 82 - 13/08/2012 01:28:01 AM 974 Views
So is Pat Robertson *NM* - 13/08/2012 02:41:28 AM 613 Views
They're not enlightened at all. - 21/08/2012 02:04:09 PM 1239 Views
Agreed, but ya'll continue doing it anyway. - 11/08/2012 08:24:09 PM 1072 Views
Thank you for making sense. - 12/08/2012 08:01:53 AM 1035 Views
voting third party is a good idea - 11/08/2012 08:15:41 PM 1043 Views
I'm sorry, but anyone that votes for Obama after the past 3 and 1/2 years is a moron..... - 12/08/2012 03:30:47 AM 999 Views
If you are proud of not voting, please shut up: The adults have a country to run. - 12/08/2012 04:11:49 AM 1002 Views
Candidates have to earn my vote - I'm not a slave like you to the 2 party system. - 12/08/2012 04:24:02 AM 1174 Views
Who said anything about the two-party system? - 12/08/2012 04:29:36 AM 972 Views
No offense intended, but voting third party is as stupid as not voting. - 12/08/2012 04:42:28 AM 1222 Views
I strongly disagree. - 12/08/2012 05:11:52 AM 1081 Views
as the saying goes "the lesser of two evils is still evil" - 12/08/2012 08:06:20 PM 1061 Views
Nice asshatery. - 12/08/2012 07:56:57 AM 1228 Views
Wouldn't you love to have a "none of the above" option..... - 12/08/2012 03:36:54 PM 989 Views
Or you could use a PR system and act like responsible adults. *NM* - 12/08/2012 05:47:14 PM 506 Views
Oh dear. - 11/08/2012 06:26:07 PM 1057 Views
I'm happy with it, I like Ryan - 11/08/2012 06:47:21 PM 1048 Views
What a shock. - 11/08/2012 08:18:35 PM 1182 Views
Re: What a shock. - 11/08/2012 08:51:12 PM 1157 Views
ryan isn't going to help rmoney win wisconsin - 11/08/2012 08:21:27 PM 1170 Views
Picking Ryan was an olive branch to the GOP rank and file. - 11/08/2012 08:05:41 PM 1295 Views
definitely a bold pick but not going to help him enough in november - 11/08/2012 08:27:59 PM 1099 Views
Who cares? He's hot. - 11/08/2012 11:53:42 PM 1259 Views
So are you a fan of David Cameron? - 12/08/2012 12:12:50 AM 900 Views
Lol. Nice one. *NM* - 12/08/2012 08:22:01 AM 549 Views
I actually said, "He's not hot enough." - 13/08/2012 01:15:58 PM 971 Views
- 13/08/2012 03:31:38 PM 1111 Views
Wonderful choice! Truly wonderful.....check the video. - 12/08/2012 03:22:48 AM 982 Views
Nice video. - 12/08/2012 06:52:59 PM 1073 Views
Can you explain your fascination with Ryans ideas, please? - 13/08/2012 04:08:35 AM 1048 Views
No, it doesn't change my opinion any - 12/08/2012 07:50:21 AM 1149 Views
I hear even the DNC has rejected its TN Senate nominee. - 12/08/2012 05:46:37 PM 1076 Views
Yes, they disavowed him - 12/08/2012 08:00:33 PM 1080 Views
Does not work in the US - 13/08/2012 01:17:58 AM 1016 Views
We do not need most of the populace to cast protest votes, only most voters. - 13/08/2012 01:33:41 AM 985 Views
Your distinction misses my greater point - 13/08/2012 01:51:26 AM 1034 Views
*shrugs* Vote absentee then. - 13/08/2012 02:28:32 AM 1054 Views
I was going to vote Romney anyway, so no, it doesn't change anything. - 12/08/2012 10:39:15 PM 1047 Views
But I'm guessing you're glad with Ryan? Prefer him over the alternatives? Or not? - 12/08/2012 10:49:35 PM 1194 Views
I disagree - 13/08/2012 12:52:07 AM 1078 Views
Bloomberg has imploded - 13/08/2012 07:12:56 PM 977 Views
Bloomberg has become a national laughingstock. - 13/08/2012 08:13:24 PM 1064 Views
Not as much as either Obama or Romney, surely. - 13/08/2012 08:23:41 PM 1063 Views
Makes sense for you. You are Romney's target audience. - 13/08/2012 01:19:26 PM 1001 Views
What should Obama have done? - 13/08/2012 07:31:23 PM 1046 Views
And how much of that do you expect from Romney? - 14/08/2012 10:21:33 AM 1368 Views
Certainly more than from Obama. - 16/08/2012 12:00:19 AM 968 Views
Mmm, Objectivism. Another reason for me to vote Obama. - 12/08/2012 11:00:34 PM 1151 Views
But doesn't he say he detests Rand? - 12/08/2012 11:53:47 PM 900 Views
No he doesn't disavow Ayn Rand, he still believes in her - 13/08/2012 01:15:34 AM 1067 Views
Good to know. - 13/08/2012 08:42:22 AM 1073 Views
Link to audio of Paul Ryans address to The Atlas Society. - 13/08/2012 03:37:27 AM 1196 Views
Or you could have just read my response which posted prior to yours - 13/08/2012 01:45:07 PM 985 Views
Sorry, I completely missed your link. - 13/08/2012 03:09:11 PM 1085 Views
Don't get me wrong - 13/08/2012 12:53:10 AM 1041 Views
Actually I believe he promised to vote for Romney if I did - 13/08/2012 03:48:35 AM 1149 Views
What an amusing retrospective. - 13/08/2012 04:20:02 AM 1194 Views
Uh... how exactly did you get to spending and budget timelines? - 13/08/2012 04:59:45 AM 988 Views
Tangentially, of course. - 13/08/2012 05:08:18 AM 1015 Views
I tried reading it again, but my eyes glazed over when you started babbling about lesbian covens. - 14/08/2012 12:30:03 AM 936 Views
It was a hyperbolic reference to the extreme left (one stolen from Matt Groening, btw.) - 14/08/2012 10:12:09 AM 1005 Views
Interesting. - 14/08/2012 11:34:30 AM 1097 Views
They have a pill for that now. - 14/08/2012 01:14:39 PM 1128 Views
I'm pretty sure the solution is you learning elementary composition. *NM* - 15/08/2012 11:33:57 PM 635 Views
Your willful reading incomprehension is neither my fault nor problem. - 16/08/2012 07:40:46 PM 1093 Views
I don't think you can succinctly do anything. *NM* - 16/08/2012 09:33:38 PM 640 Views
I just did. - 16/08/2012 09:36:21 PM 1051 Views
EDIT: ACK! Hoist on my own petard! - 14/08/2012 12:25:27 AM 1002 Views
No birth control, no right to choose, no planned parenthood? - 13/08/2012 01:58:51 PM 951 Views
They are really doing a public service that way. *NM* - 13/08/2012 02:26:39 PM 477 Views
I agree with your statements - 14/08/2012 12:53:41 AM 1144 Views
It's mostly nonsense - 14/08/2012 04:46:11 AM 1068 Views
Well - 14/08/2012 02:54:06 PM 1276 Views
'Nonsense' refers to the thing said about the religious right by the media - 14/08/2012 04:01:47 PM 1293 Views
I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. - 14/08/2012 06:30:23 PM 1333 Views
Re: I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. - 15/08/2012 01:45:59 AM 1021 Views
I have to keep this short, because I am on the iPad. - 15/08/2012 05:38:48 AM 982 Views
Triple reply chain is usually a good point for the trim-edit anyway - 15/08/2012 05:27:20 PM 1161 Views
Or shows it's time to quit. - 15/08/2012 10:20:17 PM 1480 Views
Agreed - 15/08/2012 10:54:05 PM 935 Views
The question, as for Tom, is what you believe Romney would improve for small businesses. - 14/08/2012 01:38:29 PM 1108 Views
I am aware of that, thank you. And I don't distill my choice down to small business, either. - 14/08/2012 02:24:24 PM 1149 Views
I see your point, but... - 14/08/2012 02:30:22 PM 923 Views
Well - 14/08/2012 03:09:18 PM 1113 Views
Are you really going to let Obama con you into voting for him again? - 21/08/2012 02:00:06 PM 960 Views
I honestly haven't decided. - 21/08/2012 04:13:44 PM 1277 Views
Expanding our perspective does not improve our options much, sadly. - 14/08/2012 04:23:48 PM 1060 Views
None of that is that important. - 14/08/2012 08:53:10 PM 1100 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 15/08/2012 02:21:55 PM 622 Views
Bullshit - 21/08/2012 01:46:42 PM 1121 Views
This makes me more likely to vote R this year. - 15/08/2012 02:31:06 PM 1012 Views

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