Sorry but I just can't put it more bluntly than this - sticking a penis in a vagina without permission is rape. No ifs, no buts, no maybes - just rape.
Also sorry, but it just isn't that simple, because "permission" is not a binary concept as you apparently seem to think. You say this as if somehow it's helpful for you to be as blunt (or simplistic) as possible - I strongly have to disagree with that premise. Nuances are important.
And frankly the idea that because a woman consented to have sex with someone once means he can get a free repeat seems totally crazy to me - it is grounds to assume she might be willing to have sex with him again... no way is it grounds to assume he can have sex with her when ever he feels like it.
Nuances are still important. Which means that not only shouldn't you be as simplistic as possible about your own views, but you also shouldn't oversimplify the views of the people you're debating with. At least not if you want to engage in an actual debate and make comments that might actually convince them. If you're just playing it to the crowd and your primary consideration is claiming the moral high ground, well, go right on then, but I'll bow out.
I've just looked and can't see an actual report of where she changed it? Even so, half asleep is a pretty vague term.
Yes, it's vague; but it seemed to me that the main reason why Joel and I were disagreeing with you so strongly was that you were apparently thinking of a woman who remains asleep as the man engages in sex with her, which is a quite different assumption from the one we were making. There's a big difference between initiating sex with a woman who's still asleep (or half asleep) with the idea that it'll wake her up and you'll have sex together, or starting to have sex with her and just going on even if she doesn't wake up because you don't care if she's awake or not. The latter is indeed rather like sex with a blow up doll; the former, not so much.
See the thing is I flat out disagree here - this is where my blow up doll comment comes in. It is utter nonsense to assume that because she agreed to sex once he could have sex with her whenever he wanted - that is still rape, just the kind that no one cared about 30 years ago.
See above.
Rape - British left wing politician takes on American right wing politician in stupidest comment off
22/08/2012 11:03:50 PM
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Galloway - I'll always remember him for being a Cat to be honest.
22/08/2012 11:14:58 PM
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That is second on my list of things I remember about him, probably down to third now.
22/08/2012 11:21:17 PM
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People who support abortion only for rape are the most retarded in the whole debate
23/08/2012 01:05:17 AM
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Bullshit
23/08/2012 05:01:24 AM
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That's an interesting variation with some legitimacy, though not compelling, to me anyway
23/08/2012 07:25:50 AM
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That is a dangerous line of logic.
23/08/2012 09:26:25 PM
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Okay, that really wasn't connected to my comments
24/08/2012 02:39:21 AM
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Sure it was, but we can do it your way.
24/08/2012 04:10:37 AM
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Yet you don't, you jump the gun here too
24/08/2012 04:37:02 AM
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I was trying to cut to the chase; like I say, I followed your logic: I just disliked where it led.
24/08/2012 06:10:40 AM
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Disliking the conclusion doesn't invalidate the logic, and stop veering out of the debate boundary
24/08/2012 06:43:43 AM
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No, the logics invalidity does that, though you do not seem to like its conclusion either.
24/08/2012 07:48:21 AM
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I'm not even sure what that means
25/08/2012 12:38:56 AM
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The logic is invalid because invalid, however either of us feels about where it leads.
25/08/2012 10:37:34 PM
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Okay, we're done here
26/08/2012 05:36:28 AM
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Quotes are not my opinion.
26/08/2012 06:37:19 AM
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You'd really benefit from post-secondary education.
26/08/2012 12:14:02 PM
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Further post-secondary education, you mean; probably so, though not for the reasons you stated.
26/08/2012 08:20:45 PM
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Haven't you and Joel had about the same amount of post-secondary education, actually?
27/08/2012 01:31:43 AM
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It has nothing to do with consequences or responsibility. It's about life & privacy. Period
23/08/2012 12:04:55 PM
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To be honest, I think people MIGHT be overreacting to both comments.
23/08/2012 01:33:54 AM
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Really? *NM*
23/08/2012 06:33:46 AM
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Yeah.
23/08/2012 06:40:05 AM
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I expect it is more of a "stating the obvious" response.
23/08/2012 02:01:18 PM
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Heh, I didn't think so.
23/08/2012 05:44:55 PM
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I said Akins comments needed MORE context.
23/08/2012 08:50:09 PM
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Yes, I saw that.
23/08/2012 10:28:50 PM
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Re: Yes, I saw that.
23/08/2012 11:04:40 PM
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Re: Yes, I saw that.
23/08/2012 11:08:46 PM
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Science sometimes produces shocking discoveries.
23/08/2012 11:28:47 PM
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And sometimes one doctor with an agenda pulls "facts" out of the air
23/08/2012 11:37:37 PM
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This
23/08/2012 08:50:43 PM
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Eh
23/08/2012 10:37:15 PM
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I read it the same way Jen did
23/08/2012 08:49:16 PM
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Why?
23/08/2012 08:51:59 PM
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See your reply here - the bit before the comma then the bit after it.
23/08/2012 09:06:20 PM
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You can see where there's room for doubt in that though, surely.
23/08/2012 09:20:19 PM
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I accept there are exceptions under some circumstances - but they are exceptions, not the rule.
23/08/2012 09:44:36 PM
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Well, I have to clarify...
23/08/2012 10:28:13 PM
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Re: Well, I have to clarify...
23/08/2012 10:50:59 PM
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Re: Well, I have to clarify...
23/08/2012 11:15:50 PM
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23/08/2012 11:28:56 PM
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couple things
24/08/2012 01:57:04 AM
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Re: couple things
24/08/2012 02:26:23 PM
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You may be talking about Galloway and not Assange, but Galloway was talking about Assange.
24/08/2012 06:28:00 PM
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Re: Well, I have to clarify...
23/08/2012 11:34:51 PM
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I can
23/08/2012 11:05:05 PM
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OK
23/08/2012 09:35:35 PM
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Bullshit.
23/08/2012 10:00:54 PM
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Re: Bullshit.
23/08/2012 10:52:02 PM
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I don't know about Galloway but Akin is being made to pay for his commnets
23/08/2012 04:37:12 PM
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Um, I'm not sure about that last bit
23/08/2012 10:43:15 PM
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this issue has been discussed none stop for two days and this almost never mentioned
24/08/2012 12:28:25 PM
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Yeah, I'm curious about that last point as well.
24/08/2012 02:53:43 AM
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McCaskills campaign ran ads during the GOP primary calling Akin the "most conservative" candidate.
24/08/2012 03:33:18 AM
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Interesting.
24/08/2012 04:49:51 AM
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Yeah, that about covers it; personally, I am developing a grudging respect for Akin.
24/08/2012 06:30:43 AM
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no it isn't kinda true
24/08/2012 12:50:53 PM
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The MO GOP voters who nominated him for being "most conservative" think it is.
25/08/2012 10:52:02 PM
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