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the fact checkers tend be journalist and deserve all the trust that goes with that *NM* random thoughts Send a noteboard - 01/09/2012 10:36:18 AM
PolitiFact does a pretty good job. If Romney can cite them debunking one of Obamas claims one month then dismiss them debunking one of his the next month they are reliable enough for campaigns to trust, and objective enough not to play favorites.

Yet the beauty of facts is they are inherently objective; people can and do deny what is staring them in the face, but no one also staring at it takes them seriously.
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how to make political convention speeches more entertaining moondog - 31/08/2012 03:57:11 PM 636 Views
If they did that, I would actually watch. Darth_Katie - 31/08/2012 04:18:06 PM 874 Views
Ditto nossy - 31/08/2012 04:42:37 PM 525 Views
Ha, like Pop-Up Video! beetnemesis - 31/08/2012 05:04:41 PM 476 Views
That similarity occured to me, too. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2012 09:37:22 PM 241 Views
and how fact checks the fact checkers? *NM* random thoughts - 31/08/2012 05:19:45 PM 221 Views
Fox, presumably. Joel - 31/08/2012 06:05:56 PM 732 Views
the fact checkers tend be journalist and deserve all the trust that goes with that *NM* random thoughts - 01/09/2012 10:36:18 AM 245 Views
Facts are facts, and not in the eye of the beholder. Joel - 01/09/2012 12:08:41 PM 473 Views
That might be true if fat checkers limited themsleves to facts and not opinion random thoughts - 01/09/2012 02:44:41 PM 556 Views
Stating opinions as fact invites checking them as facts. Joel - 01/09/2012 02:59:23 PM 689 Views
I will let Scott Wlaker explain it to you random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:56:00 PM 664 Views
Even Walker admits "It’s closed — has been as long as Obama has been president." Joel - 01/09/2012 06:27:32 PM 650 Views
well since Ryan never claimed Obama caused the plant to close it doesn't matter when it closed random thoughts - 01/09/2012 08:10:26 PM 480 Views
How could he save a plant already closed? Joel - 01/09/2012 08:31:55 PM 464 Views
It's obvious. Stephen - 01/09/2012 10:12:33 PM 532 Views
Of course; how could I have been so blind. Joel - 01/09/2012 10:41:03 PM 445 Views
what is obvious is despite him saying they would his policies didn't save the plant random thoughts - 02/09/2012 09:48:08 PM 464 Views
If he could save it he shouldn't have he could but he did say he could random thoughts - 02/09/2012 09:43:56 PM 489 Views
The video says his comments were 2 Feb, 2008, when the plant was open;when he took office it was not Joel - 02/09/2012 10:26:46 PM 462 Views
That is a great idea that will never happen. Joel - 31/08/2012 06:08:30 PM 630 Views
Then what would Daily Show and Colbert do every night if someone does their work for them? *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2012 09:38:17 PM 227 Views
presumably they would have plenty of other material to work with.... *NM* moondog - 01/09/2012 06:33:33 AM 251 Views
I loathe the conventions, but this will make it worse Roland00 - 01/09/2012 03:52:15 AM 515 Views
you're talking about what people who already follow these things do moondog - 01/09/2012 06:40:42 AM 455 Views
We fundamentally disagree Roland00 - 01/09/2012 01:54:26 PM 645 Views
The absence of either filter or rebuttal diminishes the informative value of conventions. Joel - 01/09/2012 03:21:03 PM 547 Views
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